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  • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

    @Yveaux http://www.songle.com/en/pdf/20084141716341001.pdf

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    @HenryWhite Awesome! Didn't even think of looking for a datasheet of a Chinese relay ;-)

    http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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      Another source :

      50Pieces/Lot JRC-21F 4100 3V DC 6 Pins Miniature PCB Relay Brand New
      http://s.aliexpress.com/MNVv2myE

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      • YveauxY Yveaux

        @toabhishekverma Ah, ok. Didn't know they were still in transit.
        Maybe @GertSanders has them 'on stock'?

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        GertSanders
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        @Yveaux No, also still waiting for the order to arrive. But a coil resistance of 20-25 Ohm means driving the coil with a FET. Not directly from a atmega328 pin.

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        • P Porky6666

          Another source :

          50Pieces/Lot JRC-21F 4100 3V DC 6 Pins Miniature PCB Relay Brand New
          http://s.aliexpress.com/MNVv2myE

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          @Porky6666 : only switches 3A, SONGLE relay can switch 10A.

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          • GertSandersG GertSanders

            @Yveaux No, also still waiting for the order to arrive. But a coil resistance of 20-25 Ohm means driving the coil with a FET. Not directly from a atmega328 pin.

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            @GertSanders said:

            @Yveaux No, also still waiting for the order to arrive. But a coil resistance of 20-25 Ohm means driving the coil with a FET. Not directly from a atmega328 pin.

            Correct. Here's how I wired the songle relay on my Lithium Ion Sensor PCB:

            0_1455277788002_123123.png

            @GertSanders said:

            @Porky6666 : only switches 3A, SONGLE relay can switch 10A.

            I wouldn't trust both of them when it comes to switching high amp devices over 3A. I think there is a reason no german electronics shop sells songle relays :smile:

            Plus, relays from an electronics shop in your country might cost the same than the songle relays or will just be a tiny bit more expensive.

            At least this is true for 5V relays. 3V relays are hard to find (at least in germany)

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            • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

              @GertSanders said:

              @Yveaux No, also still waiting for the order to arrive. But a coil resistance of 20-25 Ohm means driving the coil with a FET. Not directly from a atmega328 pin.

              Correct. Here's how I wired the songle relay on my Lithium Ion Sensor PCB:

              0_1455277788002_123123.png

              @GertSanders said:

              @Porky6666 : only switches 3A, SONGLE relay can switch 10A.

              I wouldn't trust both of them when it comes to switching high amp devices over 3A. I think there is a reason no german electronics shop sells songle relays :smile:

              Plus, relays from an electronics shop in your country might cost the same than the songle relays or will just be a tiny bit more expensive.

              At least this is true for 5V relays. 3V relays are hard to find (at least in germany)

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              @HenryWhite said:

              I wouldn't trust both of them when it comes to switching high amp devices over 3A.

              I agree, I plan to switch lights, so my preference goes to the 10A model, just to be sure. I have used the SONGLE 5V versions, and none have ever given me reason to doubt their quality. Since I found a 3V3 powersupply I want to try building a full 3V3 board. Should be fun.

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                @HenryWhite why do we need D1 Diode (if i am write) in that circuit? do this circuit will not work without diode?
                (sorry dont know much about electronics)

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                • toabhishekvermaT toabhishekverma

                  @HenryWhite why do we need D1 Diode (if i am write) in that circuit? do this circuit will not work without diode?
                  (sorry dont know much about electronics)

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                  #213

                  @toabhishekverma https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode

                  in short: It is needed to protect the NPN transistor from damage.
                  The circuit will work without diode, But eventually damage the transistor.

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                    m26872
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                    @GertSanders Have you breadboarded your 3.3V design? I'm a bit worried that removing linear converter will impair the performance of the our fussy nRF clones due to less power supply ripple rejection. I think those going for the ESP8266 are better off.

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                      Anyone has an idea where to source the 5.5V varistor? I received a bunch from AliExpress following which seem to be broken.
                      I found this link http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/575651.pdf. However, there seem to be a bunch of 5.5 V varistor. Can anybody help me figuring out the right ones?

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                      • T tomkxy

                        Anyone has an idea where to source the 5.5V varistor? I received a bunch from AliExpress following which seem to be broken.
                        I found this link http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/575651.pdf. However, there seem to be a bunch of 5.5 V varistor. Can anybody help me figuring out the right ones?

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                        @tomkxy I'm using this one: http://hu.farnell.com/multicomp/mcvz1206m050agt/varistor-multilayer-4vac-0402/dp/2462756

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                        • m26872M m26872

                          @GertSanders Have you breadboarded your 3.3V design? I'm a bit worried that removing linear converter will impair the performance of the our fussy nRF clones due to less power supply ripple rejection. I think those going for the ESP8266 are better off.

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                          #217

                          @m26872 I have not used the 3V3 version of the Hilink converter, it was just shipped today (ordered last week). It will take a few more weeks to reach me. But then I will test it on my ac board. We will see.
                          23/FEB: Update: the converters are here. I will make a node with this converter version this weekend.

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                          • icebobI icebob

                            @tomkxy I'm using this one: http://hu.farnell.com/multicomp/mcvz1206m050agt/varistor-multilayer-4vac-0402/dp/2462756

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                            @icebob said:

                            @tomkxy I'm using this one: http://hu.farnell.com/multicomp/mcvz1206m050agt/varistor-multilayer-4vac-0402/dp/2462756

                            Thanks! It's a pity that the chinese "varistors" seem to be jumpers. I even saw in some offers on AliExpress that they are referred to as jumpers.

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                              tomkxy
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                              How can I check whether the solid state relay works at all. My assembled board receives messages and sets state properly, I have 5V on the pin, however the relay does not seem to switch. Should I hear it? Any other ideas for "debugging"?

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                              • T tomkxy

                                How can I check whether the solid state relay works at all. My assembled board receives messages and sets state properly, I have 5V on the pin, however the relay does not seem to switch. Should I hear it? Any other ideas for "debugging"?

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                                #220

                                @tomkxy
                                Measure the resistance over the AC terminals of the SSR. It should be very high when "open" en very low when "closed". SSRs do not make sounds when they switch, so sound will not give a clue if they work.

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                                  Jan Gatzke
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                                  Most SSRs cannot be checked this way because they can only switch AC and not DC. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_cross_circuit

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                                    I don't know if this has been answered already. But I have some major problems soldering the thermal fuse to the board. It always blows. Any tips ?

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                                      @Cliff-Karlsson Be quick :)
                                      I have the same problem - dont know any better sollution atm... solder for 0.5 sec and remove - then you need to let it cool down before adding more solder.

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        Cliff Karlsson
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                                        I read something before about low temp thermal sensors usally being crimped to place. Do you know how this works and if it is usable on the pcb?

                                        Also the last times I tried to assemble the parts on the pcb I noticed that the holes for one of the fuses are too narrow for the standard brown(?) auto reset fuse. I have managed to destroy the solderpads every time I tried to drill the holes a little bigger.
                                        Can I use a standard glass fuse for this one with the same value?

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                                          csa02221862
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                                          Just a couple of questions. Most of the components are 240V, are these the same as used for 110/120v in the US? Also one of the varistors is not available, suggested alternative?
                                          Thanks

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