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  • AWIA Offline
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    AWI
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    wrote on last edited by AWI
    #1

    A very low current (double) stand alone uA meter to tune MySensors battery nodes..
    0_1493111992919_upload-0091f8f7-8b1a-4d26-8c5d-f66cffe3408c
    I de' MySensor'ized this project because it is more usefull on the workbench for measuring the very low currents of MySensors battery nodes. I own several Ampere meters including the famous µCurrent. Many of these are not accurate enough or need a lot of wiring and additional equipment (µCurrent). I just wanted something simple and stand alone
    Using the low cost HX711 weight scale 24 bit AD converter a sub 10€ cost double µA meter was born. Some characteristics to fit MySensors projects:

    • range channel A: ± 20mA 5½-6½ digit µA
    • range channel B: ±40mA 5½-6½ digit µA
    • burden voltage 1µV/1µA (internal resistance 1Ω)
    • 'patch panel' on the connectors.
    • easy calibration.

    In comparison with the µCurrent and a standard multimeter in uA range
    0_1493113275783_upload-2a33c4be-759a-46c6-af8f-57862ecf4e3c

    The internals:
    0_1493113146906_upload-9152b445-76e8-44e6-8625-530f33a80d20

    Although it cannot compare in accuracy with the µCurrent (in combination with a good multimeter) it is more than useable and accurate to do some serious MySensors tuning.

    If there is some interest I will try to publish a decent built instruction on Openhardware.io.

    sundberg84S NeverDieN 2 Replies Last reply
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    • AWIA AWI

      A very low current (double) stand alone uA meter to tune MySensors battery nodes..
      0_1493111992919_upload-0091f8f7-8b1a-4d26-8c5d-f66cffe3408c
      I de' MySensor'ized this project because it is more usefull on the workbench for measuring the very low currents of MySensors battery nodes. I own several Ampere meters including the famous µCurrent. Many of these are not accurate enough or need a lot of wiring and additional equipment (µCurrent). I just wanted something simple and stand alone
      Using the low cost HX711 weight scale 24 bit AD converter a sub 10€ cost double µA meter was born. Some characteristics to fit MySensors projects:

      • range channel A: ± 20mA 5½-6½ digit µA
      • range channel B: ±40mA 5½-6½ digit µA
      • burden voltage 1µV/1µA (internal resistance 1Ω)
      • 'patch panel' on the connectors.
      • easy calibration.

      In comparison with the µCurrent and a standard multimeter in uA range
      0_1493113275783_upload-2a33c4be-759a-46c6-af8f-57862ecf4e3c

      The internals:
      0_1493113146906_upload-9152b445-76e8-44e6-8625-530f33a80d20

      Although it cannot compare in accuracy with the µCurrent (in combination with a good multimeter) it is more than useable and accurate to do some serious MySensors tuning.

      If there is some interest I will try to publish a decent built instruction on Openhardware.io.

      sundberg84S Offline
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      sundberg84
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      wrote on last edited by
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      @AWI Impressive!

      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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      • hekH Offline
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        Looks great @AWI!

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        • korttomaK Offline
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          korttoma
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          I need this! Please publish instructions ;)

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          • D Offline
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            #5

            Awsome!

            I'd like to compare your impressive array of measurement devices against my Agilent U1273A. Actually to decide if I need a µCurrent.... Maybe in an upcoming meetup in NL or BE this summer?

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            • gohanG Offline
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              That looks impressive. I'll be waiting for the instructions too 😀

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              • Nca78N Offline
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                Wow, that looks nice, I'm stucked with my multimeter and couldn't find the parts avaiable for delivery here to build a µcurrent gold.
                Please publish the build instructions !
                (Maybe if you could give use the BOM first, then you'll have plenty of time to publish build instruction before we get delivered ;))

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                • D DavidZH

                  Awsome!

                  I'd like to compare your impressive array of measurement devices against my Agilent U1273A. Actually to decide if I need a µCurrent.... Maybe in an upcoming meetup in NL or BE this summer?

                  AWIA Offline
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                  AWI
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                  #8

                  @DavidZH Impressive only by numbers ;-) I am prepared to trade my µCurrent for the Agilent :blush:
                  A meetup sounds good..any specific plans yet?

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                  • AWIA Offline
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                    AWI
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                    #9

                    There it is Micro (nano) ampere meter (double). I need to add a schematic drawing. Any suggestions/ questions are welcome.

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                    • gohanG Offline
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                      #10

                      Why all those headers are needed?

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                      • korttomaK Offline
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                        korttoma
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                        Parts ordered :D

                        • Tomas
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                        • gohanG gohan

                          Why all those headers are needed?

                          AWIA Offline
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                          AWI
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                          @gohan As mentioned in the description: I use it as a "patch panel" to distribute the power and ground to different devices. Wiring tends to get messy on my workbench...
                          0_1493190896839_upload-a61c084d-a4db-4964-957e-b3c442ec570e
                          Not mine but similar ;-)

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                            Oh ok, you use it like an integrated breadboard 😀

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                            • AWIA AWI

                              @gohan As mentioned in the description: I use it as a "patch panel" to distribute the power and ground to different devices. Wiring tends to get messy on my workbench...
                              0_1493190896839_upload-a61c084d-a4db-4964-957e-b3c442ec570e
                              Not mine but similar ;-)

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                              @AWI - did you steal my image on my workbench ;) j/k.
                              We need to revive the old workbench topic again!

                              Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                              RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                              • gohanG Offline
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                                #15

                                Are resistor needed with a tight tolerance or else?

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                                • gohanG gohan

                                  Are resistor needed with a tight tolerance or else?

                                  AWIA Offline
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                                  AWI
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                                  @gohan No special tolerance resistors needed. The only reason for choosing metal film resistors is that their temperature coefficient is better than carbon types (typical 50ppm/°C compared to 200-500ppm/°C).
                                  As you will be calibrating the circuit you can choose from a large range (0.1 Ohm - 100 Ohm) for the shunt. This will only influence the burden voltage / sensitivity and range (Ohm's laws).

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                                  • AWIA AWI

                                    @DavidZH Impressive only by numbers ;-) I am prepared to trade my µCurrent for the Agilent :blush:
                                    A meetup sounds good..any specific plans yet?

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                                    @AWI Lemme think about that..... Uuuuuhm. no... 😈

                                    I have no plans for a meetup. Lacking a proper venue for such a thing. Unfortunately.

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                                    • AWIA AWI

                                      A very low current (double) stand alone uA meter to tune MySensors battery nodes..
                                      0_1493111992919_upload-0091f8f7-8b1a-4d26-8c5d-f66cffe3408c
                                      I de' MySensor'ized this project because it is more usefull on the workbench for measuring the very low currents of MySensors battery nodes. I own several Ampere meters including the famous µCurrent. Many of these are not accurate enough or need a lot of wiring and additional equipment (µCurrent). I just wanted something simple and stand alone
                                      Using the low cost HX711 weight scale 24 bit AD converter a sub 10€ cost double µA meter was born. Some characteristics to fit MySensors projects:

                                      • range channel A: ± 20mA 5½-6½ digit µA
                                      • range channel B: ±40mA 5½-6½ digit µA
                                      • burden voltage 1µV/1µA (internal resistance 1Ω)
                                      • 'patch panel' on the connectors.
                                      • easy calibration.

                                      In comparison with the µCurrent and a standard multimeter in uA range
                                      0_1493113275783_upload-2a33c4be-759a-46c6-af8f-57862ecf4e3c

                                      The internals:
                                      0_1493113146906_upload-9152b445-76e8-44e6-8625-530f33a80d20

                                      Although it cannot compare in accuracy with the µCurrent (in combination with a good multimeter) it is more than useable and accurate to do some serious MySensors tuning.

                                      If there is some interest I will try to publish a decent built instruction on Openhardware.io.

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                                      NeverDie
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                                      If there is some interest I will try to publish a decent built instruction on Openhardware.io.

                                      I'm interested.

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                                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                        If there is some interest I will try to publish a decent built instruction on Openhardware.io.

                                        I'm interested.

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                                        Nca78
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                                        @NeverDie said in Double Micro (nano) Ampere meter:

                                        I'm interested.

                                        In case you haven't seen it, it's here :
                                        https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6723/micro-nano-ampere-meter-double/5

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                                          @NeverDie said in Double Micro (nano) Ampere meter:

                                          I'm interested.

                                          In case you haven't seen it, it's here :
                                          https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6723/micro-nano-ampere-meter-double/5

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                                          @Nca78 said in Double Micro (nano) Ampere meter:

                                          @NeverDie said in Double Micro (nano) Ampere meter:

                                          I'm interested.

                                          In case you haven't seen it, it's here :
                                          https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6723/micro-nano-ampere-meter-double/5

                                          Thanks! It looks a bit complicated to me. I've used one of these breakout boards (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OPVBEQO/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1) as a way to measure 24-bit voltage on capacitors, and it works really well. As you can perhaps tell from the photo:
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                                          the chip is fairly simple to use. What I especially liked is that there was already a demo arduino sketch for interfacing with it. That was a real time saver. If I were to build something, I might try that first, if only because it seems like it might be easier (though perhaps, in part, because I'm already comfortable with it). Would using it in conjunction with a sense resistor be all it would take to make an accurate, high resolution current sensor?

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