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Safe In-Wall AC to DC Transformers??

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  • SparkmanS Sparkman

    @petewill said:

    @Sparkman

    the fuse should be after the varistor in the circuit

    Ok, I'm still a little confused. Are you saying it should be 120VAC -> Varistor -> Fuse -> HLK? Or, 120VAC -> Fuse -> Varistor -> HLK? I thought it was the second one but maybe I misunderstood.

    Sorry, the wording I used was unclear and was based on the 120VAC being on the right in your diagram :-). Yes, it is 120VAC -> Fuse -> Varistor -> HLK.

    Cheers
    Al

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    @Sparkman Great, thanks! The parts have been ordered. Can't wait!

    My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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    • C ceech

      This one is not "safe", but it is an In-Wall AC to DC converter. Transformerless. With a 3A Solid state relay:

      2015-08-21T12-11-1.jpg

      2015-08.jpg

      The converter output is 3.3V at 100mA and the solid state relay is a Triac.

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      @ceech said:

      This one is not "safe", but it is an In-Wall AC to DC converter. Transformerless. With a 3A Solid state relay:

      2015-08-21T12-11-1.jpg

      2015-08.jpg

      The converter output is 3.3V at 100mA and the solid state relay is a Triac.

      Do you have some shcematic of this board ? I'd like to adapt it for 2 relays

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        Can anyone give me ebay-links to the parts I need to order to use the HLK with 230V.

        I am getting a little confused about all the links.

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          #233

          This is the one I sent to be reviewed:

          http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-1pcs-lot-HLK-PM01-AC-DC-220V-to-5V-mini-power-supply-module-intelligent/32408565688.html

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            #234

            Ok thanks, but I meant the fuses, varistors and stuff.

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            • Cliff KarlssonC Cliff Karlsson

              Ok thanks, but I meant the fuses, varistors and stuff.

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              @Cliff-Karlsson
              I haven't tested any of these parts yet but this is what I ordered. I am in the USA so this is spec'd for 120 VAC. If you're using 240 you will need to change the size of the Varistor but everything else should be fine for 240.

              Varistor for 120VAC - http://www.ebay.com/itm/321024816822?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

              73°C Thermal Fuse - http://www.ebay.com/itm/221560426284?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=520415979885&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

              250V 300mA Slow Blow Fuse - http://www.ebay.com/itm/111433875797?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=410420838583&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

              HLK-PM01 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/351418782712?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

              My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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              • F Fabien

                @ceech said:

                This one is not "safe", but it is an In-Wall AC to DC converter. Transformerless. With a 3A Solid state relay:

                2015-08-21T12-11-1.jpg

                2015-08.jpg

                The converter output is 3.3V at 100mA and the solid state relay is a Triac.

                Do you have some shcematic of this board ? I'd like to adapt it for 2 relays

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                #236

                @Fabien @DrJeff Here is a link to board and schematic files for the transformerless AC-DC converter:
                https://github.com/ceech/AC_SR087

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                  #237

                  Would this varistor work with 240v?
                  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Zinc-Oxide-Varistor-250VAC-60J-2500A-10mm-/260848704608?hash=item3cbbcb5c60

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                  • C ceech

                    @Fabien @DrJeff Here is a link to board and schematic files for the transformerless AC-DC converter:
                    https://github.com/ceech/AC_SR087

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                    #238

                    @ceech can't look at the files right now is this a dimmer switch that is transformerless?

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                    • DrJeffD DrJeff

                      @ceech can't look at the files right now is this a dimmer switch that is transformerless?

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                      @DrJeff Yes

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                      • C ceech

                        @DrJeff Yes

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                        @ceech Thanks yet again!

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                        • M MartinP

                          Would this varistor work with 240v?
                          http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Zinc-Oxide-Varistor-250VAC-60J-2500A-10mm-/260848704608?hash=item3cbbcb5c60

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                          @MartinP Based on my limited knowledge, yes, that should work. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm?

                          My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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                            thank you @ceech

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                            • petewillP petewill

                              @MartinP Based on my limited knowledge, yes, that should work. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm?

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                              @petewill said:

                              @MartinP Based on my limited knowledge, yes, that should work. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm?

                              I would personally go with a higher voltage rating. Something like 15-20% higher than your normal voltage otherwise you may get regular nuisance trips. So for a 240 VAC system, I would use something close to 290V.

                              Cheers
                              Al

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                              • SparkmanS Sparkman

                                @petewill said:

                                @MartinP Based on my limited knowledge, yes, that should work. Maybe someone else can chime in to confirm?

                                I would personally go with a higher voltage rating. Something like 15-20% higher than your normal voltage otherwise you may get regular nuisance trips. So for a 240 VAC system, I would use something close to 290V.

                                Cheers
                                Al

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                                @Sparkman Thanks!

                                My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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                                  20150929_193752.jpg :stuck_out_tongue:

                                  RJ_Make

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                                    @ServiceXp :+1: long evening ahead :satisfied:

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                                      Hi all,

                                      I was wondering, I want to be able to adress my blinds using mysensors. Using the relay, radio etc works fine, yet I am still wondering on this power supply. So using the above component I basically prevent fire by using the thermal fuse and an overload by using a regular fuse, the varistor and the HLK.

                                      Now, I am using a Nano (I have still 15 of those) which appear to be using 230mA, the radio itself and a relay. The relay (from the spec sheet) uses 180mA. This should be ok to be used with the HLK shown above. Now, my main concern is, how do you make a all sit together nicely? Is there a PCB type of board you are using? Any pointers welcome :)

                                      Kind regards

                                      Steve

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                                        Hi Steve

                                        this may be useful http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1540/110v-230v-ac-to-mysensors-pcb-board

                                        Regrads
                                        Filip

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                                          @ServiceXp Nice! Let us know how it goes.

                                          My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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