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💬 Arduino Pro Mini Shield for RFM69(H)W

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  • pepsonP Offline
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    #30

    ok but for arduino pro mini 3v i can not connect relay 5v. I use it to control relay...
    Can i use it : https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/8CH-IIC-I2C-Logic-Level-Converter-Bi-Directional-Module-DC-DC-5V-to-3-3V-Setp/32238089139.html?spm=a2g17.search0104.3.299.voV8Dr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_5000015_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_51102_10340_10341_5130015_10084_10083_10304_10307_10301_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10594_5060015_10142,searchweb201603_32,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f-24&algo_pvid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f&rmStoreLevelAB=5

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    • pepsonP pepson

      Ok but why nothing is describe on MySensors on page where show how connect radio ?
      But i have connected and works ok 5V without logic level converter...

      If i not use this logic level converter what will be happen ?
      I can use this https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/8CH-IIC-I2C-Logic-Level-Converter-Bi-Directional-Module-DC-DC-5V-to-3-3V-Setp/32238089139.html?spm=a2g17.search0104.3.299.voV8Dr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_5000015_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_51102_10340_10341_5130015_10084_10083_10304_10307_10301_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10594_5060015_10142,searchweb201603_32,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f-24&algo_pvid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f&rmStoreLevelAB=5 ?

      zboblamontZ Offline
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      #31

      @pepson I suggest you read it again.... The table refers to VCC 3.3v, thereby what is shown NOT a 5v device, the NOTE on that page and which I quoted above spells it out clearly, a converter would be required for 5v.
      If you are supplying it with 5v as well as connecting 5v logic, it is working outside it's specifications, that it is working at all is luck, but magic smoke will appear at some point.

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      • pepsonP Offline
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        #32

        To VCC i put 3.3V (by AMS1117)
        All other pins from Arduino i use directly.

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        • scalzS Offline
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          wrote on last edited by scalz
          #33

          @pepson
          let's recap, I'm not sure you got it..
          Says you have a VIN of 5 or 9V, and you connect it to your arduino. On the arduino board you have a ldo. So:

          • 5V Arduino variants will convert the VIN to a 5V VCC supply to you microcontroller (let's call it atmel, or 328p it's shorter). At this moment the atmel is running fully on 5v. If you set an IO to HIGH or =1, it will output 5V! And it's the same for SPI that you connect to your radio module. You thought you could apply a lower voltage to the radio module by applying an external 3V ?? Can't work, because SPI has datain and dataout. Dataout from atmel to radio will be 5v!!
          • 3V arduino variants will convert your VIN (5, 9V etc..) to 3v. The atmel will run on 3v, its pins and peripherals too, so no problem for the dataout above.

          I can't explain better, or maybe you should use a 3v arduino, and add a fet to drive your relay from 5v.
          I would prefer this way (level shifting a basic io, than level shifting the spi bus)

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          • pepsonP pepson

            To VCC i put 3.3V (by AMS1117)
            All other pins from Arduino i use directly.

            zboblamontZ Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #34

            @pepson This reminds of that famous quotation "Any ship can be a Minesweeper..."
            "Once...."

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            • pepsonP pepson

              Ok but why nothing is describe on MySensors on page where show how connect radio ?
              But i have connected and works ok 5V without logic level converter...

              If i not use this logic level converter what will be happen ?
              I can use this https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/8CH-IIC-I2C-Logic-Level-Converter-Bi-Directional-Module-DC-DC-5V-to-3-3V-Setp/32238089139.html?spm=a2g17.search0104.3.299.voV8Dr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_5000015_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_51102_10340_10341_5130015_10084_10083_10304_10307_10301_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10594_5060015_10142,searchweb201603_32,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f-24&algo_pvid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f&rmStoreLevelAB=5 ?

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              #35

              @pepson if you need to run a relay, just get an optoisolated relay board and you can use a 3.3v arduino or raspberry without problems.

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              • scalzS scalz

                @pepson
                let's recap, I'm not sure you got it..
                Says you have a VIN of 5 or 9V, and you connect it to your arduino. On the arduino board you have a ldo. So:

                • 5V Arduino variants will convert the VIN to a 5V VCC supply to you microcontroller (let's call it atmel, or 328p it's shorter). At this moment the atmel is running fully on 5v. If you set an IO to HIGH or =1, it will output 5V! And it's the same for SPI that you connect to your radio module. You thought you could apply a lower voltage to the radio module by applying an external 3V ?? Can't work, because SPI has datain and dataout. Dataout from atmel to radio will be 5v!!
                • 3V arduino variants will convert your VIN (5, 9V etc..) to 3v. The atmel will run on 3v, its pins and peripherals too, so no problem for the dataout above.

                I can't explain better, or maybe you should use a 3v arduino, and add a fet to drive your relay from 5v.
                I would prefer this way (level shifting a basic io, than level shifting the spi bus)

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                wrote on last edited by
                #36

                @scalz
                What is "fet" ?

                When i use Arduino Pro Mini 3V i can put power 5V to Arduino and he step down to 3V ? Arduino will not destroy ?

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                • gohanG gohan

                  @pepson if you need to run a relay, just get an optoisolated relay board and you can use a 3.3v arduino or raspberry without problems.

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                  wrote on last edited by pepson
                  #37

                  @gohan said in 💬 Arduino Pro Mini Shield for RFM69(H)W:

                  @pepson if you need to run a relay, just get an optoisolated relay board and you can use a 3.3v arduino or raspberry without problems.

                  I dont uderstand ?
                  Relay is power by 5V. But if i use Arduino Pro Mini 3V he give to relay 3V and relay probably not working on power 3V...
                  Sorry i am beginner...

                  And i can use this logic level converter

                  https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/8CH-IIC-I2C-Logic-Level-Converter-Bi-Directional-Module-DC-DC-5V-to-3-3V-Setp/32238089139.html?spm=a2g17.search0104.3.299.voV8Dr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_5000015_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_51102_10340_10341_5130015_10084_10083_10304_10307_10301_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10594_5060015_10142,searchweb201603_32,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f-24&algo_pvid=1efe59eb-1872-47dd-8d87-8a30137c624f&rmStoreLevelAB=5

                  ??

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                  • gohanG Offline
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                    gohan
                    Mod
                    wrote on last edited by gohan
                    #38

                    Get one of these and you can use whatever arduino you want
                    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/With-Optocoupler-4-Channel-4-channel-Relay-Modules-Relay-Control-Panel-PLC-Relay-5V-Four-Way/32458001101.html

                    And maybe a new rfm69 module since you probably already killed the one you used.

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                    • gohanG gohan

                      Get one of these and you can use whatever arduino you want
                      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/With-Optocoupler-4-Channel-4-channel-Relay-Modules-Relay-Control-Panel-PLC-Relay-5V-Four-Way/32458001101.html

                      And maybe a new rfm69 module since you probably already killed the one you used.

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                      pepson
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #39

                      @gohan

                      Radio works ok.

                      But from where i get 5V for Relay ?

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                      • pepsonP pepson

                        @gohan

                        Radio works ok.

                        But from where i get 5V for Relay ?

                        gohanG Offline
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                        gohan
                        Mod
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #40

                        @pepson if you have the 5V power supply, you get it from there

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                          #41

                          @pepson If you go to 3v Arduino, the answer seems likely to be a 3v relay, either a package as @gohan suggested or roll your own, no ?
                          FYI, I have a 3v3 node with a RFM69 which has to run a 5v sensor but the number of spare pins is limited, so after many trials and tribulations, am using a 5v Arduino to run and task the sensor with the results being passed back via I2C to the 3.3 device via level converter, all initiated via a single DPDT relay which switches the booster and 5v unit on and off after each cycle..
                          "Radio works ok." is today, tomorrow is another day...

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #42

                            Hi,

                            According to this connection guide https://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio the pro mini D2 will connect to RFN69's DI00.
                            But the shield seems to connect D4 to DI00.
                            Is it OK? Or we need to adapt our sketches?

                            Thanks

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                            • M muguran

                              Hi,

                              According to this connection guide https://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio the pro mini D2 will connect to RFN69's DI00.
                              But the shield seems to connect D4 to DI00.
                              Is it OK? Or we need to adapt our sketches?

                              Thanks

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                              NeverDie
                              Hero Member
                              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                              #43

                              @muguran said in 💬 Arduino Pro Mini Shield for RFM69(H)W:

                              But the shield seems to connect D4 to DI00.

                              Actually, no. DIO0 does connect to D2 on this shield, so there should be no issues. :)

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                              • M Offline
                                M Offline
                                muguran
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #44

                                It seems that I've got another board: it have 4 holes above GND, D2, D3 and D4, and DI00 is connected to the one for D4.
                                Is this an old version?
                                I've ordered at the beginning of this year.

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                                • M muguran

                                  It seems that I've got another board: it have 4 holes above GND, D2, D3 and D4, and DI00 is connected to the one for D4.
                                  Is this an old version?
                                  I've ordered at the beginning of this year.

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                                  gohan
                                  Mod
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #45

                                  @muguran post a picture if you can

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                                    M Offline
                                    muguran
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #46

                                    0_1518614135587_20180214_141436.jpg

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                                    • M muguran

                                      0_1518614135587_20180214_141436.jpg

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                                      NeverDie
                                      Hero Member
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #47

                                      @muguran
                                      Yes, that's an older version. A fix is discussed in the comments above.

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                                      • M muguran

                                        0_1518614135587_20180214_141436.jpg

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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #48

                                        @muguran

                                        Hi
                                        Where i can buy this pcb to connect RFM69HW with Arduino Mini Pro ?

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                                        • pepsonP pepson

                                          @muguran

                                          Hi
                                          Where i can buy this pcb to connect RFM69HW with Arduino Mini Pro ?

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                                          NeverDie
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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #49

                                          @pepson said in 💬 Arduino Pro Mini Shield for RFM69(H)W:

                                          @muguran

                                          Hi
                                          Where i can buy this pcb to connect RFM69HW with Arduino Mini Pro ?

                                          Click "buy" at this link: https://www.openhardware.io/view/268/Arduino-Pro-Mini-Shield-for-RFM69HW

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