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  • T Toyman

    @mars-warrior it depends on quantities of both PCBs and components on the PCBs.
    If you have lets say 10 pcbs with 20 components and potentially will have to do it again, the best bet is get a small oven (kitchen type) with PID regulator.
    If you just need 2-3 pcbs with 5-6 componets, hot air gun is your choice.
    In my current project, I solder ebyte module by hand (very easy) and then LED, resisttors and capacitors with hot air and solder paste.
    Looks pretty neat.

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    #1570

    @toyman Thanx for that info!

    Never worked (yet) with a hot air station/pencil.

    Found some reviews here: https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-soldering-stations. Both the Kendal 853D and the Ayyue 968+ are stations I can afford to buy. I assume the cheaper ones ($50) are the ones to avoid...

    Looking at some youtube vids about this subject, it seems doable, even for a novice like me ;-)

    Of course, any recomendations about hot air stations are appreciated!

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    • Mars WarriorM Mars Warrior

      I see a lot of nice assembled PCB's on this forum, and just out of curiosity, but do you guys do your own SMT assembly?

      I looked at the PCBA options, but just a small batch of 10 PCB's starts somewhere around $140 excluding components.
      It would save me I think a lot of work, but on the other hand it feels expensive...

      My ebyte modules & STM32 programmers are on there way from AliExpress, so no problem in that area.

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      @mars-warrior

      something like this:

      https://store.reflowster.com/products/reflowster

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        #1572

        140$ it is quite expensive compared with a simple small oven
        #192 Aldi Hack: Simplify SMD Soldering with a Cheap Aldi Oven. Nothing else – 06:09
        — Andreas Spiess

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        • gohanG gohan

          140$ it is quite expensive compared with a simple small oven
          #192 Aldi Hack: Simplify SMD Soldering with a Cheap Aldi Oven. Nothing else – 06:09
          — Andreas Spiess

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          #1573

          @gohan I am not telling you to buy this. Just a direction.
          I've created a PID sous vide machine. It's relatively easy project. SMD oven is absolutely the same. All you need is Arduino, thermoprobe and a relay.

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            #1574

            Quick question: when programming the eByte module (or any module really):

            Should I select "reset enable or not? What does that do exactly?
            Should I select clock: "Crystal oscillator" for the eByte module?

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            • alowhumA alowhum

              Quick question: when programming the eByte module (or any module really):

              Should I select "reset enable or not? What does that do exactly?
              Should I select clock: "Crystal oscillator" for the eByte module?

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              NeverDie
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              wrote on last edited by
              #1575

              @alowhum "Reset enable" determines whether pin21 acts as a reset pin or not.

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              • alowhumA alowhum

                Quick question: when programming the eByte module (or any module really):

                Should I select "reset enable or not? What does that do exactly?
                Should I select clock: "Crystal oscillator" for the eByte module?

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                NeverDie
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                wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                #1576

                @alowhum IIRC, the crystal oscillator is only required by Bluetooth. For everything else, the internal resonator is sufficient.

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                  #1577

                  Thanks!

                  I received two new eByte modules. I can't even connect to either one, both with BMP or ST-Link V2. Very strange. I'm going to try not powering them from the USB stick but from a second 3.3v source.

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                  • alowhumA alowhum

                    Thanks!

                    I received two new eByte modules. I can't even connect to either one, both with BMP or ST-Link V2. Very strange. I'm going to try not powering them from the USB stick but from a second 3.3v source.

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                    @alowhum did you manage to flash them?

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                      @toyman No. I don't understand what's going on, as I was able to flash one succesfully before. I did find [this a bit unnerving].(https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/19943/nrf52832-unable-to-connect-to-the-target).

                      Could it be that the EByte chips need the DCDC stuff before they can be connected to? Or that the exact moment on power-on (reset) matters?

                      One thing I have found is that I had installed OpenOCD on my laptop to turn a ST-Link V2 into a Black Magic Probe. That version of OpenOCD was overruling the hacked version that Sandeep Mistry had created for the NRF5.

                      But even with that removed, the problem remains this:

                      "TARGET: nrf52.cpu - Not halted".

                      Apparently this is a sign that the chips are protected. I was able to remove that protection before (by selecting "Burn Bootloader"), but it doesn't work now.

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                      • T Toyman

                        @alowhum did you manage to flash them?

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                        NeverDie
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                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                        #1580

                        @alowhum said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        Could it be that the EByte chips need the DCDC stuff before they can be connected to?

                        No.

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                        • alowhumA alowhum

                          @toyman No. I don't understand what's going on, as I was able to flash one succesfully before. I did find [this a bit unnerving].(https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/19943/nrf52832-unable-to-connect-to-the-target).

                          Could it be that the EByte chips need the DCDC stuff before they can be connected to? Or that the exact moment on power-on (reset) matters?

                          One thing I have found is that I had installed OpenOCD on my laptop to turn a ST-Link V2 into a Black Magic Probe. That version of OpenOCD was overruling the hacked version that Sandeep Mistry had created for the NRF5.

                          But even with that removed, the problem remains this:

                          "TARGET: nrf52.cpu - Not halted".

                          Apparently this is a sign that the chips are protected. I was able to remove that protection before (by selecting "Burn Bootloader"), but it doesn't work now.

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                          Nca78
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                          @alowhum have you tried the menu item to write softdevice ? If I remember well it will unlock the chip and after that you will be allowed to write code to it.

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                            #1582

                            Hey,

                            somehow I cant change the pins on my Ebyte module. Im trying to test with MockMysensors.
                            I want te TX set to pin nr. P0.06

                            I changed: MyBoardNRF.h and included nrf.h

                            #define PIN_SERIAL_RX (8)
                            #define PIN_SERIAL_TX (6)

                            but somehow the TX pin stays P0.25.

                            Can someone point me in the right direction?

                            The node connects to the gateway, so thats also working.

                            Seems like that if you put the MyBoardNRF5 files into the example map and you change some things in that file using the Arduino IDE, it doenst get uploaded. When I changed the MyBoardNRF5 file using Brackets it working as intended.

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                              @Nca78 Thanks, but it didn't work either :-(

                              Some notes from my adventures with the eByte module:

                              I've been playing with OpenOCD and the ST-Link v2. The ST-Link V2 that I turned into a Black Magic Probe doesn't see the modules.

                              I went into the Arduino's folder that has OpenOCD, created .cfg file, and then:

                              ./openocd -d2 -f nrf52832.cfg
                              

                              This started the OpenOCD server. Then I opened another terminal window and did

                              telnet localhost 4444
                              

                              Now I could manually issue some OpenOCD commands. The goal was to do a manual mass erase.

                              Some OpenOCD commands and their output:

                              flash probe 0                                                                 c Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                              
                              > flash banks
                              #0 : nrf52.flash (nrf51) at 0x00000000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                              #1 : nrf52.uicr (nrf51) at 0x10001000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                              
                              > flash probe 1
                              Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                              flash 'nrf51' found at 0x10001000
                              
                              > nrf51 mass_erase 0
                              Target not halted
                              

                              This command actually resulted in OpenOCD ballooning to 8Gb in ram. Then after 5 minutes of seemingly being busy, I got the 'target not halted' command.

                              > flash info 1
                              Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                              #1 : nrf51 at 0x10001000, size 0x00000100, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                              	#  0: 0x00000000 (0x100 0kB) not protected
                              Target not halted
                              error retrieving flash info
                              

                              Here is says "target not protected".

                              > nrf52.cpu curstate
                              reset
                              

                              Weird: the processor says it is in reset state? Could it be that it is not so much protected, but that it is constantly being reset? But then why is this with all the chips?

                              Once the OpenOCD server is running I also tried getting into the chip with

                              telnet localhost 3333
                              

                              But then I get "Error: attempted 'gdb' connection rejected"

                              The OpenOCD documentation mentions the chip protection:

                              Flash Driver: nrf5
                              All members of the nRF51 microcontroller families from Nordic Semiconductor include internal flash and use ARM Cortex-M0 core. Also, the nRF52832 microcontroller from Nordic Semiconductor, which include internal flash and use an ARM Cortex-M4F core.
                              flash bank $_FLASHNAME nrf5 0 0x00000000 0 0 $_TARGETNAME
                              Some nrf5-specific commands are defined:
                              Command: nrf5 mass_erase
                              Erases the contents of the code memory and user information configuration registers as well. It must be noted that this command works only for chips that do not have factory pre-programmed region 0 code.
                              http://www.openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Commands.html

                              I also got out my voltmeter. Pin 21 and pin 25 have 3v on them, the rest don't.

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                                maciekczwa
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                                #1584

                                I have the same problem with brand news ebyte modeules.

                                Here are my openocd logs:

                                Open On-Chip Debugger 0.10.0-dev-gdc53227 (2016-04-09-13:45)
                                Licensed under GNU GPL v2
                                For bug reports, read
                                http://openocd.org/doc/doxygen/bugs.html
                                debug_level: 2
                                0x4000
                                Info : The selected transport took over low-level target control. The results might differ compared to plain JTAG/SWD
                                adapter speed: 10000 kHz
                                Info : Unable to match requested speed 10000 kHz, using 4000 kHz
                                Info : Unable to match requested speed 10000 kHz, using 4000 kHz
                                Info : clock speed 4000 kHz
                                Info : STLINK v2 JTAG v17 API v2 SWIM v4 VID 0x0483 PID 0x3748
                                Info : using stlink api v2
                                Info : Target voltage: 3.241270
                                Info : nrf52.cpu: hardware has 0 breakpoints, 2 watchpoints
                                Error: timed out while waiting for target halted
                                TARGET: nrf52.cpu - Not halted
                                in procedure 'program'
                                in procedure 'reset' called at file "embedded:startup.tcl", line 478
                                in procedure 'ocd_bouncer'

                                embedded:startup.tcl:454: Error: ** Unable to reset target **
                                in procedure 'program'
                                in procedure 'program_error' called at file "embedded:startup.tcl", line 479
                                at file "embedded:startup.tcl", line 454
                                wybrany port szeregowy at file "embedded:startup.tcl", line 454
                                nie istnieje albo Twoja płytka nie jest podłączona

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                                • alowhumA alowhum

                                  @Nca78 Thanks, but it didn't work either :-(

                                  Some notes from my adventures with the eByte module:

                                  I've been playing with OpenOCD and the ST-Link v2. The ST-Link V2 that I turned into a Black Magic Probe doesn't see the modules.

                                  I went into the Arduino's folder that has OpenOCD, created .cfg file, and then:

                                  ./openocd -d2 -f nrf52832.cfg
                                  

                                  This started the OpenOCD server. Then I opened another terminal window and did

                                  telnet localhost 4444
                                  

                                  Now I could manually issue some OpenOCD commands. The goal was to do a manual mass erase.

                                  Some OpenOCD commands and their output:

                                  flash probe 0                                                                 c Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                  
                                  > flash banks
                                  #0 : nrf52.flash (nrf51) at 0x00000000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                  #1 : nrf52.uicr (nrf51) at 0x10001000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                  
                                  > flash probe 1
                                  Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                  flash 'nrf51' found at 0x10001000
                                  
                                  > nrf51 mass_erase 0
                                  Target not halted
                                  

                                  This command actually resulted in OpenOCD ballooning to 8Gb in ram. Then after 5 minutes of seemingly being busy, I got the 'target not halted' command.

                                  > flash info 1
                                  Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                  #1 : nrf51 at 0x10001000, size 0x00000100, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                  	#  0: 0x00000000 (0x100 0kB) not protected
                                  Target not halted
                                  error retrieving flash info
                                  

                                  Here is says "target not protected".

                                  > nrf52.cpu curstate
                                  reset
                                  

                                  Weird: the processor says it is in reset state? Could it be that it is not so much protected, but that it is constantly being reset? But then why is this with all the chips?

                                  Once the OpenOCD server is running I also tried getting into the chip with

                                  telnet localhost 3333
                                  

                                  But then I get "Error: attempted 'gdb' connection rejected"

                                  The OpenOCD documentation mentions the chip protection:

                                  Flash Driver: nrf5
                                  All members of the nRF51 microcontroller families from Nordic Semiconductor include internal flash and use ARM Cortex-M0 core. Also, the nRF52832 microcontroller from Nordic Semiconductor, which include internal flash and use an ARM Cortex-M4F core.
                                  flash bank $_FLASHNAME nrf5 0 0x00000000 0 0 $_TARGETNAME
                                  Some nrf5-specific commands are defined:
                                  Command: nrf5 mass_erase
                                  Erases the contents of the code memory and user information configuration registers as well. It must be noted that this command works only for chips that do not have factory pre-programmed region 0 code.
                                  http://www.openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Commands.html

                                  I also got out my voltmeter. Pin 21 and pin 25 have 3v on them, the rest don't.

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                                  Mod
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @alowhum I'm not in sync with the whole thread , but I had similar issues when I had an FTDI adapter connected with @NeverDie 's breakout.
                                  As soon as I disconnected the DTR (reset) line the thing started to work!

                                  Not sure if this is related to your issue, but it's worth a try.

                                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                  • alowhumA alowhum

                                    @Nca78 Thanks, but it didn't work either :-(

                                    Some notes from my adventures with the eByte module:

                                    I've been playing with OpenOCD and the ST-Link v2. The ST-Link V2 that I turned into a Black Magic Probe doesn't see the modules.

                                    I went into the Arduino's folder that has OpenOCD, created .cfg file, and then:

                                    ./openocd -d2 -f nrf52832.cfg
                                    

                                    This started the OpenOCD server. Then I opened another terminal window and did

                                    telnet localhost 4444
                                    

                                    Now I could manually issue some OpenOCD commands. The goal was to do a manual mass erase.

                                    Some OpenOCD commands and their output:

                                    flash probe 0                                                                 c Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                    
                                    > flash banks
                                    #0 : nrf52.flash (nrf51) at 0x00000000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                    #1 : nrf52.uicr (nrf51) at 0x10001000, size 0x00000000, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                    
                                    > flash probe 1
                                    Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                    flash 'nrf51' found at 0x10001000
                                    
                                    > nrf51 mass_erase 0
                                    Target not halted
                                    

                                    This command actually resulted in OpenOCD ballooning to 8Gb in ram. Then after 5 minutes of seemingly being busy, I got the 'target not halted' command.

                                    > flash info 1
                                    Unknown device (HWID 0x00000000)
                                    #1 : nrf51 at 0x10001000, size 0x00000100, buswidth 1, chipwidth 1
                                    	#  0: 0x00000000 (0x100 0kB) not protected
                                    Target not halted
                                    error retrieving flash info
                                    

                                    Here is says "target not protected".

                                    > nrf52.cpu curstate
                                    reset
                                    

                                    Weird: the processor says it is in reset state? Could it be that it is not so much protected, but that it is constantly being reset? But then why is this with all the chips?

                                    Once the OpenOCD server is running I also tried getting into the chip with

                                    telnet localhost 3333
                                    

                                    But then I get "Error: attempted 'gdb' connection rejected"

                                    The OpenOCD documentation mentions the chip protection:

                                    Flash Driver: nrf5
                                    All members of the nRF51 microcontroller families from Nordic Semiconductor include internal flash and use ARM Cortex-M0 core. Also, the nRF52832 microcontroller from Nordic Semiconductor, which include internal flash and use an ARM Cortex-M4F core.
                                    flash bank $_FLASHNAME nrf5 0 0x00000000 0 0 $_TARGETNAME
                                    Some nrf5-specific commands are defined:
                                    Command: nrf5 mass_erase
                                    Erases the contents of the code memory and user information configuration registers as well. It must be noted that this command works only for chips that do not have factory pre-programmed region 0 code.
                                    http://www.openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Commands.html

                                    I also got out my voltmeter. Pin 21 and pin 25 have 3v on them, the rest don't.

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                                    wrote on last edited by Toyman
                                    #1586

                                    @alowhum I intentionally asked you because I know the problem exists.
                                    You need to erase the chip via Jlink Commander. Neither nrfjprog nor anything alse will work (AFAIK)
                                    Actually, it was @NeverDie who found it in the beginning of his quest with nrf52. "The thing that started it all" (c)

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                                      #1587

                                      another method (although I haven't tried it with Ebyte) is to use BMP with GDB and issue a "erase mass" command

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                                        Is there a way to enhance the sending performance of the Ebyte units?

                                        I got a gateway that's sitting upstairs when I connect an Ebyte module I must be right underneath the gateway to let it receive packages.
                                        When I do exactly the same same thing with an NRF52832-DK It doesn't matter where I'm standing, every message is received by the gateway.

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                                          Is there a way to enhance the sending performance of the Ebyte units?

                                          I got a gateway that's sitting upstairs when I connect an Ebyte module I must be right underneath the gateway to let it receive packages.
                                          When I do exactly the same same thing with an NRF52832-DK It doesn't matter where I'm standing, every message is received by the gateway.

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                                          NeverDie
                                          Hero Member
                                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                          #1589

                                          @omemanti said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                          Is there a way to enhance the sending performance of the Ebyte units?

                                          @omemanti Maybe by using a properly tuned external antenna? At least for the built-in antenna's, the Fanstel modules seem to have more effective Tx reach than the Ebyte modules do. That's a major reason for my switch from the Ebyte's to the Fanstel's.

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