@NeverDie Note that all the nRF52840 based products being showcased now (including the Fanstel modules) are using the engineering silicon. There is Errata on these parts. Production devices will be available Q1-18.
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RE: nRF5 action!
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie Hello, If you are referring to that Prototype Board with the Nordic logo on it then it was being controlled by GPIO and by the Bluetooth Low Energy stack (Softdevice) You can read more about it here.. https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/blogs/831/palna-support-in-s132/.
As I mentioned before. there is no good way to control the PA in a proprietary mode, only when using BLE. Regardless, I have asked if it is ok to share the schematic that relates to that PA board and I will let you all know. And about the question about antenna switching. This was never implemented in the Softdevice. Any antenna switching would need to be done in the application.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@scalz
I would be interested in any range testing in regard to this dongle. For ground it has whatever it is that it is plugged into. (PC, SBC, USB extention cable, etc) There will be a nRF52840 based dongle out soon. See picture above. This dongle will need to be programed over the SWD lines. No Segger on board this one..! -
RE: nRF5 action!
@nca78 The Rev C (COO) parts are available now and they are the production parts. (Symmetry and Nordic's other distributors have these in stock) There will be a respin of this to a Rev D to fix the REG0 issue. FYI, the current nRF52840 package is not a WCSP. It is a aQFN package. The nRF52840-Dongle is also available now. Go forth and design......
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Some Nordic Dev Kits for offer.
Hello,
I have a few offical Nordic Dev Kits available if anyone would like them. 2 nRF24L01P kits with RF modules and main boards and a few nRF51-DKs. I am in the Pasadena, CA area near JPL. If anyone would like to meet to do a hand off let me know. -
RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie I would use 3 ADDRESS bytes, for the reason I gave before. The receiver could see noise as a valid packet and try to process it. and the fact you have no data packet and no CRC could cause you issues in a noisy 2.4Ghz environment. . Also be aware that if the radio is not already in receive or transmit mode the PLL takes about 130us to come up and settle. Crystal start and settle time will also depend on the CL value of the Crystal and not all manufactures use the same value. Conversely you can only transmit packets for 4ms before you need to bring down the transmitter and bring it back up again for the PLL to start and settle.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie Check out the new nRF52810. It is a stripped down version of the nRF52840.. Not as much memory and the peripherals are lower in count. But it has a Cortex M4 (Not F) and some of the targets are sensors, wearable, beacons, etc. On air compatible with nRF24L series and nRF52 series. Some limitations on BT 5.0 however.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie You may wish to check out the nRF51 Reference guide in addition to the datasheet. http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nRF51_RM_v3.0.1.pdf The PPI is located in section 16.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@Nca78 How about sending a email to the company and ask if there is a distributor / Rep in your area?
Dr. Yuan Fan
Fanstel Corp.
Trusted Name Since 1990
7466 E. Monte Cristo Ave., Scottsdale AZ 85260 USA
Tel. 1480-948-4928 x101;
email: yfan@fanstel.com http://www.fanstel.com -
RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie check out a product called "TAG-CONNECT". It is perfect for programming. It is used on the Nordic Semiconductor Beacon Reference Design.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@d00616 not familiar with the USB interface / tag connect. The ones I have used have the connector type that plugs onto the nRF5x-DK, uLinks, jlink lite, etc. a ten pin Micro Cortex connector to six or ten pin "pogo pin" tag-connect connector. There is also a clip that allows the connector to stay attached for debugging purposes.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@nca78 There is no downside to using the nRF52810. It depends on your needs. If you can live with 192K Flash and 24K RAM and a stack that supports peripheral only (at this time) then you are good. The device can use the internal 32Khz RC osc for BTLE and there is a slight current consumption hit as the receive window will be longer. (+/- 500ppm) . No different then on the nRF52832. as stated, a 32Khz crystal will give you a tighter clock and lower current consumption.
This is a scaled down version of the nRF52832 so there are some peripherals that have been taken out or reduced. PWM for example, only one. No NFC, 1x SPI Master or Slave, (instead of 3), No I2s...... The full datasheet and product briefs are available on Nordic's website so you can A-B the features.
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RE: nRF5 action!
Calvin, You cam buy a Nordic Development kit for about $50 dollars or less. It has the J-Link OB device on it for swd programming and debugging.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@Nca78 nRFgo Studio has been put to sleep. nRFgo studio does not have support for the newer Nordic devices. nRFconnect for Desktop has taken its place. I suggest when using the nRF52-DK (or any nRF52 based DK) that this newer utility be used.
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RE: Possible Bug using Authentic Nordic nRF24L01+ Module
@hek One should be able to change the Auto ACK register on one of the sides to make it work correctly. (If that is the type of clone being used as various clones have various differences) But that would mean tight control of what modules are being used with what firmware on what side of the link.
RF Digital makes a real nRF24L01P based module however it is more pricey then the Chinese knock offs. But if you only need a few of them then at least you know you are getting the real McCoy.
Has header and SMA connector
RFD21711Has PCB antenna and header
RFD21712This has no header and no SMA connector
RFD21716
The Nordic Website has all the Gerbers for this module in case you wish to roll your own.
http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/nordic/download_resource/9620/7/13918708If one wanted to make a tester out of a example this would work. http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/nordic/download_resource/10638/11/57367651
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RE: NRF24L01+PA+LNA power consumption
@parachutesj Unless you have the transmitter in constant carrier mode you cannot successfully measure the current with a standard multi-meter. If you want to know if the radio is transmitting and you have a good scope then look at the VDD_PA line.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie someone did not read the datasheet. The harmonic filter / impedance matching network on the output of Pin 30 (ANT) is connected incorrectly. There needs to be abolded text Cap from ANT out to Pin 31 ONLY. (Not connected to any other ground pour as it seems they did here. Seems to be a few "extra components between there and the Antenna matching network too.
From the nRF52832 datasheet.
bolded text53.8 PCB layout example
The PCB layout shown below is a reference layout for the QFN package with internal LDO setup.
Important: Pay attention to how the capacitor C3 is grounded. It is not directly connected to the
ground plane, but grounded via VSS pin 31. This is done to create additional filtering of harmonic
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RE: ARM Cortex Programmer with SWD
The nRF52-DK, nRF51-DK and nRF5284--PDK have a SWD / Debugger. They use the Segger OB Firmware in the Controller so it has the Jlink drag and drop feature. Has hooks to nRFJprog, and Keil and other IDE interfaces. They have on board nRF5x devices too if you want to use them for firmweare and hardware development. Arduino Uno format so standard shields can be used as well. On Sale at Semiconductorstore.com. $36 - $46 depending on version of board desired..
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RE: NRF51-52 PA not support ???
Hello,
I see two issues with this schematic. 1) The Cap C3 looks like it says 100nf. In the non-amplified use, this should be at least 4.7uF. If you are using a PA I would suggest a even larger value be used.
PO.25 and PO.26 if not used should be tied to ground. If used then they should each have a 12pF cap to ground. The internal bonding wires on the QFN package picks up some stray RF and will probably not pass any agency testing in Korea or Japan. This is probably not that important for personal use.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@Nca78 Corrrect. It seems to me that a < 50 dollar Nordic nRF52 based Dev kit (or similar) which can be updated would be much less hassle.
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RE: nRF5 Multi Sensor Board (12-14€)
@artag The nRF51802 QFAA has 256k Flash and 16k RAM. It is pin to pin compatible with the nRF51822QFAA in the QFN48 package, 6x6 mm. Note that some of the parameters for the nRF51802 are slightly looser then the nRF51822. (Current consumption, wakeup time, sensitivity)
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie Great Job!!!! Suggestion... If you are going to use the BTLE Softdevice you will have a smaller receive window if you use the external 32khz crystal option rather then the internal 32khz RC one. (+/- 20ppm with the crystal vs +/- 250 or 500ppm with the RC.
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RE: ARM Cortex Programmer with SWD
@alexsh1 These boards support the Jlink (Segger) environment. The Segger firmware is available for windows, linux and MacOS..https://www.segger.com/downloads/jlink/#J-LinkSoftwareAndDocumentationPa
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie This may be old news but I will throw it out anyway. The Reset pin on the nRF52 series is both a GPIO and RESET line (one or the other) . This is not a dedicated Reset however and the application must define that pin as RESET. This is the only pin that can be defined as reset. The Datasheet describes this as well.
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RE: Just found a pair of "old" NRF51822-04 ... any good?
The nRF51822 has been used successfully in many coin cell applications including beacons, wearable, etc. There were three versions of this device. Only REV 3 silicon is being shipped by Nordic. Any older parts should be avoided. If you are wondering what rev you have there is a chart in the compatibility section on the Nordic Semiconductor website. I would add that If supported by the sensors and such I would suggest looking as some of the newer parts in the nRF52 family. Some have a low membory variant that may work for you too. Using the DC/DC converter you can achieve about 6mA of receive and transmit current and sleep currents in the uA range and nA in power down.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie Good catch!! The nRF52 series does not have this "feature". In other words, you don't have to bring the transmitter down to recalibrate the PLL..
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie from what I see in the picture of this module, it is using a Meandering Inverted F antenna. Part of that antenna is connected to ground. So you will measure a DC ground from anywhere along the antenna to ground.0_1507315872619_Ember -inverted F_120-5052-000_Designing_with_a_PCB_Antenna.pdf
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie The really nice thing about the nRF52832 and other nRF52 variants is that running the BTLE stack (Softdevice ) you can run BTLE and proprietary somewhat simultaneously. You choose where you want to have them running this. Each node or just one for Smart Device connectivity.
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie The nRF51 is done on a different process then then the nRF52. The nRF52 is on average 50% lower power then the nRF51. The picture of the module shows a nRF51822QFAA Hx part which is a 256k flash, 16k Ram part REV 3. You can see all the revision number here: http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/com.nordic.infocenter.nrf51/dita/nrf51/compatibility_matrix/nRF51822_ic_revision_overview.html?cp=3_0_1
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RE: nRF5 action!
@NeverDie 0_1508367805179_RD-nRF52-RFX2411N-REV2.zip Hello All -- For your viewing enjoyment. The Schematic and layout files for that nRF52840 and RFX2411n board you have. (If it is version 2 which did have the big Nordic logo on it. )
I think you may know this already but this bears repeating. This is not a Nordic board. Nordic Semiconductor's tech support will probably not know anything about this board. Also there is a difference between the RFX2411 and the nRF2411N. (N for Nordic) It is not the same device. -
RE: nRF5 action!
@Jon-Raymond Correct. It is a nice product for the price and the intended user. As Jon mentioned, you can use the command line tools as well as nRFconnect and also has direct hooks into the Segger Embedded Studio which is a fully functional IDE / compiler/ Debugger and is free when used with Nordic Semi devices.
Plus there is no license conflict as there is when using one of these cheap overseas j-link knock offs. (Which could "break / brick" anytime doing a "official" Segger update on these clones.)