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110v-230v AC to Mysensors PCB board

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    Andreas Maurer
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    If you have a look at the datasheet you see:

    All voltage input (AC: 90 ~ 264V)

    110 should work.

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    • A Andreas Maurer

      If you have a look at the datasheet you see:

      All voltage input (AC: 90 ~ 264V)

      110 should work.

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      RJ_Make
      Hero Member
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      @Andreas-Maurer Thats Great. You may want to change the title to reflect that.

      RJ_Make

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      • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

        @scalz
        May I make a suggestion? I would look for a solution for both 230v AND 120v for us yanks.. :-) I know I would make the purchase.

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        scalz
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        @ServiceXp : are you talking about my relay board? if yes, I will check what I can do in the end of the week and post my project in a new topic (I think I have to rearrange the board to fit the step down).

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          axillent
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          @scalz two wire ligting menas that a wall switch is feeded only with two wires. One wire is a L source and second wire is from the load (from the lamp). Classical switch just need to short this two for the light to startup. In this case ay smart switch need some advanced technique on to power itself. For example fibaro dimmers do so.

          Do you plan to use single 48V power supply for the lighting? I'm working on the prokect for the guest house because it is just on building stage. I have a plan to use single 48V AC-DC power source with wired mysensors network. I will use 3 wires accross all lamps and switches and sensors. They will communicate with each othe P2P using a single wire interface based on Manchester encoding. I also plan to have Mysensors gateway.

          sense and drive

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            scalz
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            #16

            @axillent Ok. thank you. At my home it is like that. sure it needs a smart switch. and fibaro seems to be very smart (very small, small transfo, and steal energy, but z wave so I think it may use sync comm to use less energy. Maybe I am wrong and don't know how it is inside).
            You are right. I am thinking to use 48v power supply lighting. But I cannot change my electrical network. So two wire. And I hope it will be easier to steal energy and power the in wall switch node for leds. Maybe I am wrong. I will power my lightings with energy harvesting (solar, or maybe I have another idea but i have to make experiments.

            Your lighting project is very smart too. can't wait to see it too.

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              @ServiceXp : are you talking about my relay board? if yes, I will check what I can do in the end of the week and post my project in a new topic (I think I have to rearrange the board to fit the step down).

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              RJ_Make
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              @scalz Sorry, No I was referring to the OP.

              RJ_Make

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                @ServiceXp , I'm also looking for a way to power a node from the available-standard two wire switch. It should be possible to steal some milliamps from there, but I don't know even from where to start researching it.

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                  aproxx
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                  Hi All,

                  I'm not sure if I understand the 2-wire thing completely, but in my house (which is kind of standard I guess in Europe) I have 3 wires going from the electricity cabinet, to the light switch and then to the light bulb. These cables are Phase, Neutral and Ground.

                  As I don't want to rewire my entire grid, I decided to build these boards so I can reuse the current wiring. I ended up with the following "schematic" if I can call my paintskills like that.
                  The enclosure at the bottom of the drawing would be placed behind the current light switch, while the enclosure at the top of the drawing would be placed right above the light bulb. This requires little to no modification of my current wiring.

                  Connection overview.jpg

                  @ServiceXP, I'll update the title to include the 110v information.

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                    Jan Gatzke
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                    #20

                    Why don't you place the relay behind the switch, too? This way you could save half of the nodes.

                    I have just ordered some of those power supply modules. Very interesting, cheapest similar ones I found before were about 14 €.

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                      This is what I have done for a light bulb in the pantry with a motion sensor. Its a mess as it is a proof of concept.

                      I have a 5 separate "modules" as such. Arduino Pro Mini, Motion Sensor, Radio, 5V AC/DC transformer and a 5V Relay. So clearly it is too big and a bit of a mess! So I am really interested in your PCB @aproxx! Do let us know how it works for you.

                      2015-06-17 20.02.09.jpg

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                        This is what I have done for a light bulb in the pantry with a motion sensor. Its a mess as it is a proof of concept.

                        I have a 5 separate "modules" as such. Arduino Pro Mini, Motion Sensor, Radio, 5V AC/DC transformer and a 5V Relay. So clearly it is too big and a bit of a mess! So I am really interested in your PCB @aproxx! Do let us know how it works for you.

                        2015-06-17 20.02.09.jpg

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                        @shabba It looks like you are trying to build something to "pop your corn" on the shelf :smile:

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                          @shabba

                          That picture makes me a bit worried... :sweat: Please don't let any kids near it.

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                            #24

                            There is something similar I'm working on. Although mine is more like a solid state relay. And it can be used as an AC dimmer. But has the same concept with AC-DC converter. I used one from Vigortronix. It has a 3.3V output.
                            20150619_152947.jpg

                            Here it is controlled with Bluetooth serial connection
                            20150619_153015-1.jpg
                            This is how the board looks like
                            board_01.png
                            If anyone wants it, let me know.

                            @aproxx I like your form factor. Great find with that AC-DC converter.

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                              Those are even much smaller (3.3v , 25x38x17 mm , 3w) and have similar price. I've got one (still to experiment with)

                              https://it.rs-online.com/web/p/alimentatori-switching-integrati-smps/8431988/?searchTerm=8431988&relevancy-data=636F3D3126696E3D4931384E525353746F636B4E756D6265724D504E266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C26706D3D5E5C647B367D247C5E5C647B377D247C5E5C647B31307D2426706F3D313426736E3D592673743D52535F53544F434B5F4E554D4245522677633D4E4F4E45267573743D3834333139383826

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                                scalz
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                                Too bad these Ac Dc are so expensive and little big. But good quality for sure.

                                @ceech : looks like a pretty board. I am interested in your files please. It could be useful..:wink:

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                                  Too bad these Ac Dc are so expensive and little big. But good quality for sure.

                                  @ceech : looks like a pretty board. I am interested in your files please. It could be useful..:wink:

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                                  ceech
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                                  @scalz Here you go:
                                  https://github.com/ceech/AC-dimmer
                                  Enjoy.

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                                    scalz
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                                    thank you!

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                                      shabba
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                                      @aproxx Where could one get that board and what is required to populate it? I would like perhaps half a dozen or so for a few things I'm doing and to replace the mess in the picture I posted above :-)

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                                        This is really interesting.

                                        If this PCB succeeds i will order maybe 10-15 of them. They need to be so small it can be mounted inside/behind the wallswitch and i also want to combine it with some sort of motion detector fittet in the wallswitch as well...

                                        Cool really looking forward to this... keep up the good work!

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                                          aproxx
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                                          @Jan-Gatzke You are absolutely right. No idea on why I've never thought about that!
                                          I have now redesigned the board to fit a relay as well. Size is still limited to 45 by 45mm, so it should be quite easy to place them behind a light switch.

                                          I hope to receive my PCB boards next week, after which I'll add all components to the board and start testing it. If all goes well, I'll be submitting the new design with relay to dirtyPCBs to have those printed too.
                                          Just a sneak peak of the new board:
                                          Top:
                                          Top2.png
                                          Bottom:
                                          Bottom2.png

                                          In the following days I'll start designing a 3d-printable casing to fit the board.
                                          As soon as I have confirmed that the board with relay is working fine, I'll submit the PCB design here together with the 3d printable casing. Due to slow shipping and limited spare time I expect this to happen in about 4 to 7 weeks.

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