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  • DwaltD Offline
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    Does anyone have any experience with this sensor?

    I exhausted my stock of panasonic PIRs and was looking for a replacement which was low powered and self contained (all components within the can) similar to the panasonics and ran across the am/hm PIR series from Senba Optics. The am312 is the only one I have seen in the wild - $13 on aliexpress but ~$2 from Banggood. I cannot find a non-chinese datasheet anywhere but some wholesalers have listed specs which look promising, specifically detection range and current.

    0_1460773129119_HT1ddoLFO0aXXagOFbXr.jpg

    Any thoughts?

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    • DwaltD Dwalt

      Does anyone have any experience with this sensor?

      I exhausted my stock of panasonic PIRs and was looking for a replacement which was low powered and self contained (all components within the can) similar to the panasonics and ran across the am/hm PIR series from Senba Optics. The am312 is the only one I have seen in the wild - $13 on aliexpress but ~$2 from Banggood. I cannot find a non-chinese datasheet anywhere but some wholesalers have listed specs which look promising, specifically detection range and current.

      0_1460773129119_HT1ddoLFO0aXXagOFbXr.jpg

      Any thoughts?

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      TheoL
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      #2

      @Dwalt if I understand it correctly, it monitors motion actively? So that it keeps the pin high as long as it keeps detecting motion?

      Keep me informed, please. That way I can remove that part from my nodes.

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      • DwaltD Dwalt

        Does anyone have any experience with this sensor?

        I exhausted my stock of panasonic PIRs and was looking for a replacement which was low powered and self contained (all components within the can) similar to the panasonics and ran across the am/hm PIR series from Senba Optics. The am312 is the only one I have seen in the wild - $13 on aliexpress but ~$2 from Banggood. I cannot find a non-chinese datasheet anywhere but some wholesalers have listed specs which look promising, specifically detection range and current.

        0_1460773129119_HT1ddoLFO0aXXagOFbXr.jpg

        Any thoughts?

        NeverDieN Offline
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        NeverDie
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        @Dwalt
        Did you ever find anything out regarding its true current consumption?

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          Hi,

          Sorry to bump this old Thread.
          But i thought i give some Info in case anyone stumbles on it via searching am312+mysensors like i did some Weeks ago.

          I used the banggood Module for a Battery Powerd Node.
          At first it was running from 3xAAA Alkaline Batteries.
          But after a Week Batteries where emtpy.

          So i had a detailed look at the Node.
          The PIR Module has a 3V regulator on Board, which seems to be designed for 5V input.

          The Batteries only provided ~3,9V wich resulted in ~1,4V behind the regulator, but the Module was working properly.

          So i decided to remove the regulator from the PIR Module and power it from 2 AAA Batteries (providing ~2,4V input).

          Additionally i removed another 3,3V regulator i was using for the nrf24l01 Radio.

          Now the Power consumption is down to ~0,2 mA while sleeping (ATMega328+NRF24l01+Pir Module) and ~15mA when awake.

          Running without Problems since 2 Days.

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          • A acp

            Hi,

            Sorry to bump this old Thread.
            But i thought i give some Info in case anyone stumbles on it via searching am312+mysensors like i did some Weeks ago.

            I used the banggood Module for a Battery Powerd Node.
            At first it was running from 3xAAA Alkaline Batteries.
            But after a Week Batteries where emtpy.

            So i had a detailed look at the Node.
            The PIR Module has a 3V regulator on Board, which seems to be designed for 5V input.

            The Batteries only provided ~3,9V wich resulted in ~1,4V behind the regulator, but the Module was working properly.

            So i decided to remove the regulator from the PIR Module and power it from 2 AAA Batteries (providing ~2,4V input).

            Additionally i removed another 3,3V regulator i was using for the nrf24l01 Radio.

            Now the Power consumption is down to ~0,2 mA while sleeping (ATMega328+NRF24l01+Pir Module) and ~15mA when awake.

            Running without Problems since 2 Days.

            AWIA Offline
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            AWI
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            wrote on last edited by AWI
            #5

            I just received my samples of the AM312 and ( @gohan as promised) my observations/ measurements. (which are not in line with @acp observations above)

            1. Rock stable. Even if I use the on-board regulator to also power a MySensors node it does not get into trouble (fires only when supposed to)
            2. The hold-time is as specified in the datasheet 2.3 seconds
            3. Power consumption: 14.2 µA! when idle 15.4 µA when active.
            4. These boards can handle anywhere between 3.3 and 12 V power (ldo on-board).
            5. I won't be using any of the small or modified HC-SR501 or similar BISS0001 based sensors anymore. These typically have 4 times higher power consumption/ very sensitive to all kinds of power and environment noise/ large/ but adjustable (can live with that and handle in software).

            0_1493902794635_upload-93dc9758-648f-4ba2-a14c-5c2f95666b5d

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            • NeverDieN Offline
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              NeverDie
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              wrote on last edited by
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              @AWI

              Thanks for your post! What type of detection range are you getting out of it? i.e. within what range can you reliably detect motion?

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              • AWIA AWI

                I just received my samples of the AM312 and ( @gohan as promised) my observations/ measurements. (which are not in line with @acp observations above)

                1. Rock stable. Even if I use the on-board regulator to also power a MySensors node it does not get into trouble (fires only when supposed to)
                2. The hold-time is as specified in the datasheet 2.3 seconds
                3. Power consumption: 14.2 µA! when idle 15.4 µA when active.
                4. These boards can handle anywhere between 3.3 and 12 V power (ldo on-board).
                5. I won't be using any of the small or modified HC-SR501 or similar BISS0001 based sensors anymore. These typically have 4 times higher power consumption/ very sensitive to all kinds of power and environment noise/ large/ but adjustable (can live with that and handle in software).

                0_1493902794635_upload-93dc9758-648f-4ba2-a14c-5c2f95666b5d

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                sundberg84
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                @AWI - Could you see what happened below 3.3v? Ie, using 2xAA ?

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                • gohanG Offline
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                  I can't wait to get my pir sensors 😀

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                  • NeverDieN Offline
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                    NeverDie
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                    #9

                    Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      @AWI

                      Thanks for your post! What type of detection range are you getting out of it? i.e. within what range can you reliably detect motion?

                      AWIA Offline
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                      AWI
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                      #10

                      @NeverDie It looks like its in specification. My "lab" is not that big... I could easily detect around 5 meters through the open door ;-)

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                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                        @AWI - Could you see what happened below 3.3v? Ie, using 2xAA ?

                        AWIA Offline
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                        AWI
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                        @sundberg84 I turned the voltage down to 2.6V and it was still fully functional. Did not test noise sensitivity (disassembled the test set-up) The sensor is specified to 2.7V, the LDO (HT-7530) has a typical voltage drop of 100mV in normal operation.
                        Seems to be very small (< 5mV) when Vin is below 3V.
                        Conclusion: looks good for 2AA alkaline.:ribbon:

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                        • AWIA AWI

                          @NeverDie It looks like its in specification. My "lab" is not that big... I could easily detect around 5 meters through the open door ;-)

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                          NeverDie
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                          @AWI said in PIR am312:

                          @NeverDie It looks like its in specification. My "lab" is not that big... I could easily detect around 5 meters through the open door ;-)

                          FWIW, when I click on your specification link, all I get is "Access Denied". Is it just me, or can anyone else here click through to it?

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            @AWI said in PIR am312:

                            @NeverDie It looks like its in specification. My "lab" is not that big... I could easily detect around 5 meters through the open door ;-)

                            FWIW, when I click on your specification link, all I get is "Access Denied". Is it just me, or can anyone else here click through to it?

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                            AWI
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                            @NeverDie The "specification" is a link back into this forum (https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6658/pir-sensors/18) so you should be able to access it...

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                            • NeverDieN NeverDie

                              @AWI said in PIR am312:

                              @NeverDie It looks like its in specification. My "lab" is not that big... I could easily detect around 5 meters through the open door ;-)

                              FWIW, when I click on your specification link, all I get is "Access Denied". Is it just me, or can anyone else here click through to it?

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                              @NeverDie Same here, access denied!

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                                NeverDie
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                                wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                #15

                                @hek Seems there's a problem: a simple link back to forum is resulting in "Access Denied." Can you fix it?

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                                  #16

                                  You are linking to thread in the moderators private area.

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                                  • hekH hek

                                    You are linking to thread in the moderators private area.

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                                    AWI
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                                    wrote on last edited by AWI
                                    #17

                                    @hek @NeverDie @kontrollable My stupid mistake... :blush: I was referring to this from the datasheet Pir-AS312

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                                      gohan
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                                      #18

                                      but also it depends on the lens right?

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                                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                        #19

                                        Unfortunately, the link you posted (https://forum.mysensors.org/assets/uploads/files/1493990586841-pir-as312.pdf) reports file not found.

                                        Since links aren't working, can someone upload the pdf of the datasheet to this thread as a file attachment?

                                        [Edit: That's funny: After I posted the link, now when I click on it I'm now granted access! So, I'll attach it to this post now that I finally have it.]0_1494013513879_1493990586841-pir-as312.pdf
                                        Hopefully others can now access the re-uploaded version.

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                                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                          #20

                                          For Halloween, it would be pretty amusing to have the PIR turn on some eyeballs like this:
                                          https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-videos/1200x900/3356-05.mp4
                                          especially if you had about 6 of them scattered about.

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