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    You are linking to thread in the moderators private area.

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    • hekH hek

      You are linking to thread in the moderators private area.

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      #17

      @hek @NeverDie @kontrollable My stupid mistake... :blush: I was referring to this from the datasheet Pir-AS312

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        but also it depends on the lens right?

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          #19

          Unfortunately, the link you posted (https://forum.mysensors.org/assets/uploads/files/1493990586841-pir-as312.pdf) reports file not found.

          Since links aren't working, can someone upload the pdf of the datasheet to this thread as a file attachment?

          [Edit: That's funny: After I posted the link, now when I click on it I'm now granted access! So, I'll attach it to this post now that I finally have it.]0_1494013513879_1493990586841-pir-as312.pdf
          Hopefully others can now access the re-uploaded version.

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            #20

            For Halloween, it would be pretty amusing to have the PIR turn on some eyeballs like this:
            https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-videos/1200x900/3356-05.mp4
            especially if you had about 6 of them scattered about.

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              Missed this thread last week...
              Just tested mine today with 3.3V supply and I have similar current consumption, around 15µA on my multimeter but the full board in sleep mode. It's staying active as long as there's movement detected, and seems stable: no interference from NRF24 radio when sending updated state to gateway.

              But I have poor range, I'm not sure why, maybe the orientation of sensor/lens, or maybe the hot temperature, over 30°C, I will do more tests tomorrow if I can.
              I tested with a not very well aligned fresnel lens from a SR501 I can detect at over 4m

              I've got some AM612 too, with extra setting for active duration & sensibility, and an OEN pin to enable output based on analog signal (on datasheet example they use it with a photoresistor). If I believe the very similar detection profiles in the datasheets it's the same sensor but the AS312 has settings hardwired in the "can".

              Not sure if 2 AA/AAA is the best solution, I would go for lithium cells. CR2032 would probably have too short battery life in a busy room (somewhere around 6 months) but bigger cells like 2477 or CR123 (>1000mAh) would last way over 1 year. Compared to AA they have the big advantage of staying over the 2.7V minimum value in the datasheet for most of their life.

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              • Nca78N Nca78

                Missed this thread last week...
                Just tested mine today with 3.3V supply and I have similar current consumption, around 15µA on my multimeter but the full board in sleep mode. It's staying active as long as there's movement detected, and seems stable: no interference from NRF24 radio when sending updated state to gateway.

                But I have poor range, I'm not sure why, maybe the orientation of sensor/lens, or maybe the hot temperature, over 30°C, I will do more tests tomorrow if I can.
                I tested with a not very well aligned fresnel lens from a SR501 I can detect at over 4m

                I've got some AM612 too, with extra setting for active duration & sensibility, and an OEN pin to enable output based on analog signal (on datasheet example they use it with a photoresistor). If I believe the very similar detection profiles in the datasheets it's the same sensor but the AS312 has settings hardwired in the "can".

                Not sure if 2 AA/AAA is the best solution, I would go for lithium cells. CR2032 would probably have too short battery life in a busy room (somewhere around 6 months) but bigger cells like 2477 or CR123 (>1000mAh) would last way over 1 year. Compared to AA they have the big advantage of staying over the 2.7V minimum value in the datasheet for most of their life.

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                @Nca78 do you have any updates on the sensor?

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                • Nca78N Nca78

                  Missed this thread last week...
                  Just tested mine today with 3.3V supply and I have similar current consumption, around 15µA on my multimeter but the full board in sleep mode. It's staying active as long as there's movement detected, and seems stable: no interference from NRF24 radio when sending updated state to gateway.

                  But I have poor range, I'm not sure why, maybe the orientation of sensor/lens, or maybe the hot temperature, over 30°C, I will do more tests tomorrow if I can.
                  I tested with a not very well aligned fresnel lens from a SR501 I can detect at over 4m

                  I've got some AM612 too, with extra setting for active duration & sensibility, and an OEN pin to enable output based on analog signal (on datasheet example they use it with a photoresistor). If I believe the very similar detection profiles in the datasheets it's the same sensor but the AS312 has settings hardwired in the "can".

                  Not sure if 2 AA/AAA is the best solution, I would go for lithium cells. CR2032 would probably have too short battery life in a busy room (somewhere around 6 months) but bigger cells like 2477 or CR123 (>1000mAh) would last way over 1 year. Compared to AA they have the big advantage of staying over the 2.7V minimum value in the datasheet for most of their life.

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                  @Nca78 said in PIR am312:

                  Not sure if 2 AA/AAA is the best solution, I would go for lithium cells. CR2032 would probably have too short battery life in a busy room (somewhere around 6 months) but bigger cells like 2477 or CR123 (>1000mAh) would last way over 1 year. Compared to AA they have the big advantage of staying over the 2.7V minimum value in the datasheet for most of their life.

                  In most cases I'm planning to use solar and a supercap. Then, no more batteries to change!

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                    it is all a matter of node size and if you like to have solar panels around the house (never forget the WAF :D )

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                    • gohanG gohan

                      it is all a matter of node size and if you like to have solar panels around the house (never forget the WAF :D )

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                      @gohan said in PIR am312:

                      it is all a matter of node size and if you like to have solar panels around the house (never forget the WAF :D )

                      Good point. Even a micro panel might be stretching it on the WAF.

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                      • gohanG gohan

                        @Nca78 do you have any updates on the sensor?

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                        @gohan I didn't test more but I made a PCB for AM612 it will be much more convenient to make some real life testing :)
                        Sending it tomorrow to PCB production with 11 other PCBs :D

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                          How are you using the AM612?

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                            How are you using the AM612?

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                            @gohan said in PIR am312:

                            How are you using the AM612?

                            I don't understand what answer you're expecting for this question :)
                            I made a PCB, send it to PCB production and when I receive it I will be able to solder the am612 on it and test it.

                            0_1495104606107_PCB_PIR.png

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                              how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

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                              • gohanG gohan

                                how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

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                                @gohan said in PIR am312:

                                how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

                                I will test using lens from AM312 & from SR501 (made the space and holes for that on the PCB). I have ordered some other ones from AliExpress, too.
                                No case yet as I just spent a lot of nearly sleepless nights finishing a lot of PCBs. Now time for code preparation before I receive the boards, then 3D design and tests while the 3D printer is printing :)

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                                • Nca78N Nca78

                                  @gohan said in PIR am312:

                                  how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

                                  I will test using lens from AM312 & from SR501 (made the space and holes for that on the PCB). I have ordered some other ones from AliExpress, too.
                                  No case yet as I just spent a lot of nearly sleepless nights finishing a lot of PCBs. Now time for code preparation before I receive the boards, then 3D design and tests while the 3D printer is printing :)

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                                  wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                  #31

                                  @Nca78

                                  I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

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                                    @Nca78

                                    I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

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                                    @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                                    @Nca78

                                    I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

                                    Yes that's eagle, found it pretty easy to learn also.
                                    But I made my last PCBs with it this week I think, I will switch to KiCad to avoid the annoying limitations in Eagle. It will be a pain to learn everything again, but at least I won't miss the autorouter as I love routing :D

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                                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                      Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

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                                      @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                                      Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

                                      I received mine yesterday: so, 16 days from order until receipt from banggood.

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                                        @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                                        Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

                                        I received mine yesterday: so, 16 days from order until receipt from banggood.

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                                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                        #34

                                        @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                                        So far I've only powered it up--and with merely a DMM attached to the output pin--but as a quick test it seems to work.

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                                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                          @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                                          So far I've only powered it up--and with merely a DMM attached to the output pin--but as a quick test it seems to work.

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                                          @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                                          @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                                          There are some tiny '+' and '-' signs on the breakout board near the pins but they are barely visible.

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