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💬 In Wall AC/DC Pcb (with Relay) for MySensors (SMD)

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  • proddyP proddy

    @sundberg84 said:

    It must depend on what you are planning to connect to the relay

    It would use it to switch on and off an external mounted lamp - so with a fixed Watt & Voltage. Probably an LED 220V Lamp. Should I avoid zero-crossover as I've read somewhere that zero-crossover can cause a surge current of perhaps 10 to 40 times the steady state current when switched on.

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    sundberg84
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    #27

    @Paul-Derbyshire - sorry, to be hones i missunderstood you.
    Most SSR sold for arduino are P and not PL it seems.

    "The light from the diode is beamed into a light-sensitive semiconductor that, in the case of zero-voltage crossover relays, conditions the control circuit to turn on the output solid-state switch at the next zero-voltage crossover. In the case of nonzero-voltage crossover relays, the output solid-state switch is turned on at the precise voltage occurring at the time."

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      Jose Simoes
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      #28

      hi, just an idea, do you think it is possible to add a current sensor to the PCB in order to add a power meter function to the node to monitor power consumption? say up to 20A

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      • Jose SimoesJ Jose Simoes

        hi, just an idea, do you think it is possible to add a current sensor to the PCB in order to add a power meter function to the node to monitor power consumption? say up to 20A

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        sundberg84
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        #29

        @Jose-Simoes - no clue about current sensors... sorry I just cant answer that at the moment.

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          • sundberg84S sundberg84

            @Jose-Simoes - no clue about current sensors... sorry I just cant answer that at the moment.

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            Jose Simoes
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            #31

            @sundberg84 -hey, i was meaning something like the ACS712 Module, but add the ic to the PCB for better integration.

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            • Jose SimoesJ Jose Simoes

              @sundberg84 -hey, i was meaning something like the ACS712 Module, but add the ic to the PCB for better integration.

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              sundberg84
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              #32

              @Jose-Simoes said in 💬 In Wall AC/DC Pcb (with Relay) for MySensors (SMD):

              ACS712

              Well, to safe space and meet my goal to be able to have it so small so it fits inside a wallsocket i have excluded all sensors and included the MysX connector. This way every user can add their own sensor.

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                Justas
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                #33

                Hi, @sundberg84
                I'm really interested in this module. Maybe stupid question, but I'm very new with openhardware and would like to understand: if I will go and buy through the link provided (10xPCB for 15$), will I receive already assembled unit with all the parts, or I have to go and buy parts and assemble it myself?
                Thanks & Regards

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                • J Justas

                  Hi, @sundberg84
                  I'm really interested in this module. Maybe stupid question, but I'm very new with openhardware and would like to understand: if I will go and buy through the link provided (10xPCB for 15$), will I receive already assembled unit with all the parts, or I have to go and buy parts and assemble it myself?
                  Thanks & Regards

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                  tonnerre33
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                  wrote on last edited by tonnerre33
                  #34

                  @Justas Hello,

                  yes you have to buy parts and assemble them yourself. 1.5$ by PCB is cheap, you can't have the components for this price ;)

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                  • J Justas

                    Hi, @sundberg84
                    I'm really interested in this module. Maybe stupid question, but I'm very new with openhardware and would like to understand: if I will go and buy through the link provided (10xPCB for 15$), will I receive already assembled unit with all the parts, or I have to go and buy parts and assemble it myself?
                    Thanks & Regards

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                    gohan
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                    #35

                    @Justas
                    you get the PCB only, then you have to buy all the components and solder them on the pcb :)
                    If you aren't a lot familiar with soldering you could also evaluate Sonoff wifi relays ;)

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                      Justas
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                      #36

                      Thanks, I also checked the parts list and found that total price is more than $14, so now I see how stupid my questions was ;)

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                        proddy
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                        #37

                        and building it is 99% of the fun !

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                          hugch
                          wrote on last edited by hugch
                          #38

                          Very nice project. And it is so nice that you thought about the fuses for the power supply and the relais. :-)
                          I have two additional ideas:

                          • adding the ATSHA204 fo secure signing
                          • I could be to big to integrate but something like this (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1Bit-AC-220V-Optocoupler-Isolation-Module-Testing-Board-Adaptive-for-PLC/32754734564.html) would be great to detect the in wall switch state.
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                            exilit
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                            #39

                            Great project, thank you for sharing. Searching for a power supply i found your project which seems to fit my needs pretty well. What do you think are the main differences to the AC/DC/Double SSD Relay by Aproxx (https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/ac-dc-ssd-relay). I am mainly interested in the AC/DC conversion part.Would like to hear your opinion on that.

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                            • E exilit

                              Great project, thank you for sharing. Searching for a power supply i found your project which seems to fit my needs pretty well. What do you think are the main differences to the AC/DC/Double SSD Relay by Aproxx (https://www.mysensors.org/hardware/ac-dc-ssd-relay). I am mainly interested in the AC/DC conversion part.Would like to hear your opinion on that.

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                              sundberg84
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                              #40

                              @exilit - sorry my friend, I have not studied the AC/DC/Double SSD Relay by Aproxx very closely.
                              Mine is a bit smaller instead of 50x50 but he got 2 relays.

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                                wrote on last edited by exilit
                                #41

                                @sundberg84 Thank you for your reply. Do you see big differences regarding the safety?
                                As far as I see both projects use a slow blow fuse and a thermal fuse to protect the AC-side.

                                Sorry for digging deeper, but both projects look great. Yours seems to be better tested,
                                but the other one has two relays. Hard to decide, which one to use :-).

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                                • E exilit

                                  @sundberg84 Thank you for your reply. Do you see big differences regarding the safety?
                                  As far as I see both projects use a slow blow fuse and a thermal fuse to protect the AC-side.

                                  Sorry for digging deeper, but both projects look great. Yours seems to be better tested,
                                  but the other one has two relays. Hard to decide, which one to use :-).

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                                  sundberg84
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                                  @exilit - I think we both origin from the original discussion about the HLK-PM01: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1607/safe-in-wall-ac-to-dc-transformers.
                                  If you read this you can pretty much see everything in the PCB (fuses, varistor and temp fuse to protect the HLK module).

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                                    Martin Nicolaisen
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                                    #43

                                    Hi @sundberg84 does it fit the fuga (scandinavian) wall socket? :=

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                                    • M Martin Nicolaisen

                                      Hi @sundberg84 does it fit the fuga (scandinavian) wall socket? :=

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                                      @martin-nicolaisen - Im not familiar with the fuga wall socket.
                                      I use standard round wall sockets (60cm). Can you point me to an image with dimensions ?

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                                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                        @martin-nicolaisen - Im not familiar with the fuga wall socket.
                                        I use standard round wall sockets (60cm). Can you point me to an image with dimensions ?

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                                        @sundberg84 said in 💬 In Wall AC/DC Pcb (with Relay) for MySensors (SMD):

                                        (60cm)

                                        Wow that's quite a wall plug

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                                        • gohanG gohan

                                          @sundberg84 said in 💬 In Wall AC/DC Pcb (with Relay) for MySensors (SMD):

                                          (60cm)

                                          Wow that's quite a wall plug

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                                          sundberg84
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                                          @gohan - lol :)
                                          60mm!!!!

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