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💬 FOTA (Wireless Programming)

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  • xydixX Offline
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    xydix
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    #6

    Sorry for asking stupid questions but, "USBtinyISP AVR ISP Programmer" from the shopping guide. Is this able to do the same as "usbasp (clone, USBASP 2.0 LC Technology)" in this guide.

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    • scalzS Offline
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      scalz
      Hardware Contributor
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      #7

      yes this should work

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      • C Offline
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        cdr
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        For some reason I can't set the extended fuse to 0x06, it always reverts to 0xFE;

        avrdude.exe: verifying ...
        avrdude.exe: WARNING: invalid value for unused bits in fuse "efuse", should be set to 1 according to datasheet
        This behaviour is deprecated and will result in an error in future version
        You probably want to use 0xfe instead of 0x06 (double check with your datasheet first).
        avrdude.exe: 1 bytes of efuse verified

        Anyone knows why?

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        • scalzS Offline
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          scalz
          Hardware Contributor
          wrote on last edited by scalz
          #9

          @cdr
          The Extended fuse handle the bod level. Only the 3 least significant bits are meaningful. Others are not used.
          Be careful: This is true for this fuse, not for all fuses, check datasheet or fuses calculator!
          That's why :

          • 0x06 = 00000110
          • 0xFE = 11111110

          are doing the same job for the extended fuse. It depends of the tool you use for burning this fuse. Simply, if you get this warning, use the "equivalent".

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          • C Offline
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            cdr
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            Thanks for the explanation, first try didn't work so I suspected the fuses, but turned out to be a voltage issue. :)

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            • starfish133S Offline
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              #11

              Is it possible to do OTA over RS485 connections?

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              • hekH Offline
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                hek
                Admin
                wrote on last edited by
                #12

                Yes, it should be possible. The node doesn't really care which transport that was used.

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                • skywatchS Offline
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                  #13

                  Does OTA work with the NRF24L01+ modules?

                  Thanks.

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                  • skywatchS skywatch

                    Does OTA work with the NRF24L01+ modules?

                    Thanks.

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                    mfalkvidd
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                    #14

                    @skywatch yes.

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                    • mfalkviddM mfalkvidd

                      @skywatch yes.

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                      wrote on last edited by skywatch
                      #15

                      @mfalkvidd

                      Thanks for the (very) fast reply!

                      I have arduino in my greenhouse and in winter when it can be constantly wet and cold it is a real pain to take the laptop out to make any changes. This would be a good solution that would allow me and my laptop to stay warm and dry! - - - But how do I stop any one else programming it remotely? Is there some security to stop random programs being installed (it is controlling mains electricity and I need to be sure it is a safe option.

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                      • skywatchS skywatch

                        @mfalkvidd

                        Thanks for the (very) fast reply!

                        I have arduino in my greenhouse and in winter when it can be constantly wet and cold it is a real pain to take the laptop out to make any changes. This would be a good solution that would allow me and my laptop to stay warm and dry! - - - But how do I stop any one else programming it remotely? Is there some security to stop random programs being installed (it is controlling mains electricity and I need to be sure it is a safe option.

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                        tbowmo
                        Admin
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        @skywatch

                        You can use signing to authenticate a firmware upload. Then the attacker first need to get your pre shared keys to reprogram via ota

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                          Anduril
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                          #17

                          @skywatch just to be complete: using signing as @tbowmo suggested only works with dualoptiboot bootloader.
                          When using MYSBootloader it will, as far as I know, accept any firmware when booting. To attack the node the attacker would have to reboot your node (power cycle,...) and then send his own firmware. So this is possible, but needs quite a good amount of control of your systems.

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                          • AndurilA Anduril

                            @skywatch just to be complete: using signing as @tbowmo suggested only works with dualoptiboot bootloader.
                            When using MYSBootloader it will, as far as I know, accept any firmware when booting. To attack the node the attacker would have to reboot your node (power cycle,...) and then send his own firmware. So this is possible, but needs quite a good amount of control of your systems.

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                            tbowmo
                            Admin
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @Anduril

                            @tekka have been looking at making a secure Ota boot loader, if I remember right. I thought that it was released already.

                            But if an intruder is able to get yo your node to do a reset in order to have the mysbootloader kick in, he could just as well put a new firmware in by attaching a programmer directly to the node.

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                              b0rmann
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                              #19

                              Is it possible OTA from linux without MYSController?

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                                skywatch
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #20

                                Thank you all for the responses. If someone gets physical access then the game is over anyway. I just want to protect from some bored malicious person getting remote access and causing problems or even a fire.
                                If it is secure from 'others' hacking it remotely I might give it a try.

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                                  Anduril
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #21

                                  When initiating a ota firmware update MYSController sends a reboot message to the node. Does anyone knows if that is protected by signing (if enabled)? If so, it would be quite safe excluding the physical access.

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                                    #22

                                    Same question as @b0rmann - is it possible to do OTA from a non-Windows environment (Mac OSX or Linux)? A simple implementation in python or perl, that could talk to the gateway, and do OTA from the command line, would be a really nice to have. I would prefer the dualoptiboot solution, since it'll work with RFM69 nodes as well (at least that's my understanding)

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                                      emc2
                                      Hardware Contributor
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                                      #23

                                      It may be a silly question, but what is the point of setting the fuses before burning the bootloader (using Dualoptiboot)?

                                      After burning the bootloader fuses are changed to E:06, H:D2, L:E2 anyway as set in board.txt

                                      MysensorsMicro.bootloader.unlock_bits=0x3F
                                      MysensorsMicro.bootloader.lock_bits=0x0F
                                      MysensorsMicro.bootloader.low_fuses=0xE2
                                      MysensorsMicro.bootloader.high_fuses=0xD2
                                      MysensorsMicro.bootloader.extended_fuses=0x06
                                      

                                      Should we burn them after to revert to E:06, H:DA, L:E2 ? (and loosing EESAVE which seems bad)

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                                        tonnerre33
                                        Hardware Contributor
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #24

                                        hello all,

                                        i have installed MYSBootloaderV13pre on my arduino mini pro 3.3V and this work fine.

                                        But i encountered some issues with my jeedom version (the node.js crash) that why i want to replace this bootloader (temporarily) but i can't.

                                        Do you know why when i burn a different bootloader, MYSBootloaderV13pre is still present ?

                                        Thx in advance for your answers

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                                          Cliff Karlsson
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #25

                                          This might be a stupid question but would it be possible to add a AT25DF512C-SSHN-B to a regular Pro mini by connecting it to a custom PCB like a jModule with a AT25DF512C-SSHN-B ?

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