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  • scooter217S Offline
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    scooter217
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    #119

    what size terminal blocks do you buy? I bought some and they are the wrong size.

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    • scooter217S scooter217

      what size terminal blocks do you buy? I bought some and they are the wrong size.

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      Samuel235
      Hardware Contributor
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      #120

      @scooter217, from a quick inspection of the .brd file and a look around the internet for the datasheets it would seem that sundberg has allowed for any screw terminal block that uses a 5mm pin pitch. So you would need a 3 terminal 5mm pin pitch screw terminal. Please allow @sundberg84 some time to reply to ensure I am correct.

      MySensors 2.1.1
      Controller - OpenHAB (Virtual Machine)
      Gateway - Arduino Mega MQTT Gateway W5100

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      • sundberg84S Offline
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        sundberg84
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        #121

        @scooter217 : http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=20pcs+KF301-2P+2+Pin+Plug-in+Screw+Terminal+Block+Connector+5.08mm+Pitch&_id=181759858196&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2658

        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        • sundberg84S sundberg84

          @scooter217 : http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=20pcs+KF301-2P+2+Pin+Plug-in+Screw+Terminal+Block+Connector+5.08mm+Pitch&_id=181759858196&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2658

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          #122

          @sundberg84 Thank you, just ordered some from ebay!

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            Matt
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            #123

            Hi Sundberg.
            First of all thanks for what you have done here, and hi from New Zealand.
            I have a problem though, sorry to be a hassle.
            I assembled my first board tonight and I dont get 3.3v across the NRF. It starts at 0.07V then falls down to 0 on my cheap meter. Same on the MYSX1.4 connector at 3.3 and gnd. Am getting 3.3 on the mini as well as VCC and GND on the MYSX area so the regulator is working. May be a short? Or a bad solder? Although they look good to me.... If so what solder joints should I redo? Any other ideas?
            Also, Ive traced back the VCC from the NRF and I cant see where it connects to a power source, either the battery in or the boost converter?
            0_1461234488858_MS.jpg

            Thanks,
            Matt

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              Hi Sundberg.
              First of all thanks for what you have done here, and hi from New Zealand.
              I have a problem though, sorry to be a hassle.
              I assembled my first board tonight and I dont get 3.3v across the NRF. It starts at 0.07V then falls down to 0 on my cheap meter. Same on the MYSX1.4 connector at 3.3 and gnd. Am getting 3.3 on the mini as well as VCC and GND on the MYSX area so the regulator is working. May be a short? Or a bad solder? Although they look good to me.... If so what solder joints should I redo? Any other ideas?
              Also, Ive traced back the VCC from the NRF and I cant see where it connects to a power source, either the battery in or the boost converter?
              0_1461234488858_MS.jpg

              Thanks,
              Matt

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              sundberg84
              Hardware Contributor
              wrote on last edited by
              #124

              @Matt Hi Matt - tnx.

              Try to measure here: whats your reading?
              0_1461234892945_1.jpg
              if its 3.3v its your radio thats has some error... this is prettu much the last point before radio. Also measure VCC/GND under the pcb and not on top, what does it say?

              Sounds like a short or bad solder...

              Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
              MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
              RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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              • sundberg84S sundberg84

                @Matt Hi Matt - tnx.

                Try to measure here: whats your reading?
                0_1461234892945_1.jpg
                if its 3.3v its your radio thats has some error... this is prettu much the last point before radio. Also measure VCC/GND under the pcb and not on top, what does it say?

                Sounds like a short or bad solder...

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                Matt
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                #125

                @sundberg84
                Ah crikey I think Im being thick, I just put a jumper across BAT connectors after tracing the lines and reading the manual, am now getting 2.8 at the NRF. Sorry for being a numpty. Still not picking up on my gateway, time to go to bed but will get the serial monitor running tomorrow....
                Thanks for the quick reply.

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                  Valle
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                  #126

                  Finally got my boards. In color: Yellow.
                  If I would skip the Booster is the esiest thing to just wire Vi - Vo?

                  0_1462250321694_IMG_4703.JPG

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                    #127

                    I have a question about using this board as a gateway. Pinout of Mini Pro and Nano are almost identical. I built an adapter board to plug in a Nano into this board. Pin by pin control shows it is OK. I checked connectivity with MYSController. The gateway boots up. When I turn on my battery powered sensor, it asks for ID, the gateway "supposedly" sends it. I watch this from the messages. The sensor does not register. It asks four more times, the gateway responds four times. But sensor could not be ID'd and of course registered.

                    I am thinking either reception problem on sensor side, or transmission problem on gateway side? Could it be a power problem related with design of the board? Is there any way to identify?

                    Thanks

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                      sundberg84
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                      #128

                      @Valle - yes you can just put a wire between left and right pin - but it wont work for a long time (the pro mini will die when battery goes below 3v i think).

                      @nunver - I have never used this board as gateway. What does your controller say, does it apply an ID for the request?

                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                        @Valle - yes you can just put a wire between left and right pin - but it wont work for a long time (the pro mini will die when battery goes below 3v i think).

                        @nunver - I have never used this board as gateway. What does your controller say, does it apply an ID for the request?

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                        Valle
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                        #129

                        @sundberg84

                        I'm using mfalkvidds Plant monitoring
                        mfalkvidd said:

                        An update on battery life: The sensor in my bonsai tree has been reporting every 11,5 minutes since 2015-11-07, so over the last ~four months it has done 24,504 measurements. The battery level has gone from 3.187V to 3.142V, which means a drop of 0.01125V per month. Assuming I let it go down to 2.34V (limit for 8MHz according to the datasheet) and that the voltage drop is linear, I should get (3.187-2.34)/0.01125 = 75 months = ~6 years. There are several error sources in this calculation, but it looks like battery life will be quite good, even though the sensor reports much more often than necessary.

                        So I will try without Booster. But for other sensors I will use booster.

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                        • ValleV Valle

                          @sundberg84

                          I'm using mfalkvidds Plant monitoring
                          mfalkvidd said:

                          An update on battery life: The sensor in my bonsai tree has been reporting every 11,5 minutes since 2015-11-07, so over the last ~four months it has done 24,504 measurements. The battery level has gone from 3.187V to 3.142V, which means a drop of 0.01125V per month. Assuming I let it go down to 2.34V (limit for 8MHz according to the datasheet) and that the voltage drop is linear, I should get (3.187-2.34)/0.01125 = 75 months = ~6 years. There are several error sources in this calculation, but it looks like battery life will be quite good, even though the sensor reports much more often than necessary.

                          So I will try without Booster. But for other sensors I will use booster.

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                          sundberg84
                          Hardware Contributor
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                          @Valle said:

                          So I will try without Booster. But for other sensors I will use booster.

                          Sounds good - let us know how it works out for you. 2,34V is for a genuine Arduino so you know - I dont think a clone manages that... also the last energy (from 1,9 to 2,34v) is not used even though the radio could handle it if you used a booster.

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                            Boots33
                            Hero Member
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                            #131

                            Thanks @sundberg84 for this little board. I have just completed a sensor to monitor the state of our 12v house solar power supply.

                            It uses an ACS712 Hall Effect Current Sensor Module to keep track of amps in and out of the battery. A voltage sensor to check battery levels and two DS18b20 temp sensors to monitor battery temp and ambient area temp. It reports back to our Domoticz server.

                            0_1462273371700_board.jpg

                            0_1462273409712_dom.jpg

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                            • sundberg84S sundberg84

                              @Valle - yes you can just put a wire between left and right pin - but it wont work for a long time (the pro mini will die when battery goes below 3v i think).

                              @nunver - I have never used this board as gateway. What does your controller say, does it apply an ID for the request?

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                              #132

                              @sundberg84 yes it gives an ID of 1, but somehow sensor keeps asking four more times. At the end of the cycle, no ID is set. So no sensor shown.

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                                @sundberg84 yes it gives an ID of 1, but somehow sensor keeps asking four more times. At the end of the cycle, no ID is set. So no sensor shown.

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                                sundberg84
                                Hardware Contributor
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @nunver said:

                                @sundberg84 yes it gives an ID of 1, but somehow sensor keeps asking four more times. At the end of the cycle, no ID is set. So no sensor shown.

                                What does the log node say - find parent?
                                This sounds like either software issue or most probably radio range/power issue,

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                  #134

                                  Hello, I'm just finished with 3 cards and test . I read on mysensor.org I'll connect NRF24L01+ Radio whit decoupling capacitor of 47µF and on your card whit 4,7µF

                                  What is the difference?

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                                    Hello, I'm just finished with 3 cards and test . I read on mysensor.org I'll connect NRF24L01+ Radio whit decoupling capacitor of 47µF and on your card whit 4,7µF

                                    What is the difference?

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                                    mfalkvidd
                                    Mod
                                    wrote on last edited by mfalkvidd
                                    #135

                                    @Affe in practice, there is usually no difference. 4.7uF is enough, but 47uF doesn't hurt.

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                                      Nca78
                                      Hardware Contributor
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                                      Hello,

                                      I just ordered from DirtyPCB.
                                      Thank you very much for this board which will obviously save me a lot of time with the radio connection.
                                      I'm planning to use the boards for :

                                      • as door+temp/humidity sensors for my children's bedrooms, not for the "security"/"safety" aspect but to manage AC more efficiently
                                      • as window sensors for all windows in my appartment coupled with a rain sensor on the balcony, so I can ring an alarm/flash something/sens sms if it starts to rain and one of the windows is left opened. I'm in a tropical country and windows are opened most of the time, with the sudden and strong rains and winds we have sometime it can really be ugly :)

                                      Power will most probably come from button cells and I will cut the right part of the PCB to fit in small and very cheap plastic boxes I find in shops here. I'm just waiting to see if the test sensor I have put on my entry door survives long enough with a CR2032.

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                                        Rasenheizung
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                                        #137

                                        Could you give me the size when the pcb is fully soldered as battery sensor?

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                                          @Nca78 - sounds great, let me know how it works out for you! Good luck!

                                          @Rasenheizung - 50x50cm fully soldered. The dept is about 35mm (Batteryholder + PCB + Components)

                                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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