Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?

[NeverDie]

I placed an order for one of these e-paper displays today:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MH-ET-LIVE-1-54-Inch-Epaper-Module-E-paper-E-Ink-EInk-Display-Screen-SPI/32869623097.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2c2a4c4dwVMJCo

Any other good options out there?

[mfalkvidd]

@neverdie my link collection had this: http://www.bigmessowires.com/2011/06/07/low-power-lcd-smackdown/ not sure they classify as low current though.

I have been looking at https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-200x200-1-54inch-E-Ink-display-module-SPI-interface-1-54inch-e-Paper-Module/32835141592.html for a while, apparently for too long

[NeverDie]

If that article is correct, then at 400ua I suppose the Nokia 5110 might even be able to be powered by a $1 solar panel. i.e. if it's bright enough to read the 5110 without a backlight, it might be bright enough to be self powered. That would be interesting. I wonder if 400ua is enough to keep the display held constant even if the microcontroller that controls it is sleeping?

[Nca78]

Hello, I have been looking at that too and if you want a graphic screen you need to go for something similar to 5110, some other models seem to use a bit less but I've never tested to be sure about that.
In order to save power I was thinking about coupling it with a PIR sensor, if no movement for X minutes then screen is turned off, if too dark screen is turned off. Then with either accelerometer or proximity detector you detect when user wants to see the screen and switch it + backlight.

If you just want to display simple information then you need to use a LCD driver and a segment LCD screen. I bought a few and I have some controller chips, I'm designing a PCB with a bunch of things I bought and never tested and it includes 3 different LCDs, small and not many segments, the idea is to just display temp/hum. It seems you can go down to 20-30uA, turned off at night when it can't be seen, you can get down to a level which allows good battery life with a CR2450.

[Nca78]

As a controller I have PCF85176, and as LCD some things like that:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-Bit-Temperature-Humidity-LCD-Digital-Display-Module-Nixie-Tube-30-21-2-8mm-GDC21310-LCD/32753372544.html

http://www.good-display.com/products_detail/productId=174.html

[NeverDie]

@nca78
I'd be interested in any projects with schematics that you're willing to share.

[NeverDie]

I suppose something like:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Segment-LCD-HT1621-driver-3-3-5V-can-be-used-MSP430-microcontroller-51/1000001959952.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.1.382929bf3lUEng&scm=1007.13339.90158.0&scm_id=1007.13339.90158.0&scm-url=1007.13339.90158.0&pvid=75718904-e3fc-418a-93f4-3199130ad1d5&_t=pvid:75718904-e3fc-418a-93f4-3199130ad1d5,scm-url:1007.13339.90158.0
or
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-3-3V-segment-liquid-crystal-HT1621-drive-low-power-LCD-SCM-for-51/1000002117470.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.1.409c363eQt4lr5&scm=1007.13339.99728.0&scm_id=1007.13339.99728.0&scm-url=1007.13339.99728.0&pvid=d76543dc-569f-47ea-887e-c686fde40e35&_t=pvid:d76543dc-569f-47ea-887e-c686fde40e35,scm-url:1007.13339.99728.0

might be a kind of middle ground compromise, consuming about 120ua, with the driver chip already on the module and hooked up.

[Nca78]

@neverdie said in Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?:

might be a kind of middle ground compromise, consuming about 120ua, with the driver chip already on the module and hooked up.

It seems from the datasheet that you can expect something closer to 60uA if you run at 3V but it's still too much IMHO, and you need to add the crystal oscillator yourself. As delivered without crystal oscillator you're looking at 150+uA (and up to 300 if you're unlucky), you'd better go for AA batteries and a graphic screen in this case, some run at 250-300uA

More efficient drivers like PCF85176 are not very difficult to use, they just need a handful or separate parts.
The guy here for example, has made a PCB adapter with less than 10 extra parts (if you run at 3/3.3V) and he claims to have a 24uA power consumption at 3.3V so it's probably possible to improve that even more with lower voltage (I'll test and report).
https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-81712/l/building-a-low-power-compact-lcd-display

[NeverDie]

@nca78 I'll wait with baited breath to see what you come up with!

[billgoolsby]

@mfalkvidd, Is there an Arduino library for this module? I don't see a link for it on the product page.

[mfalkvidd]

@billgoolsby I am not sure which module you mean, but I have never looked at any epaper Arduino libraries so I wouldn't know anyway.

[NeverDie]

@billgoolsby http://mh.nodebb.com/topic/40/mh-et-live-1-54-inches-e-paper

[Nca78]

@neverdie said in Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?:

@nca78
I'd be interested in any projects with schematics that you're willing to share.

I have nearly finished the test board, a bit messy but at least I'll have tested many components before they rot in my drawers I'm sure you'll be interested in at least of few of the others things on this board.

[NeverDie]

@nca78 Great! You're really good at this.

[Nca78]

LCD driver is soldered and responding on I2C bus, now I need to make a lib to display something as there's none available, interesting challenge

[Nca78]

By the way I realized there are others drivers from Microchip with even lower power consumption, like PCF8551: at 3.3V <0.6uA supply current for the IC and down to 2.5uA supply for the LCD, it would mean an always on LCD below 5uA. Added to cart but it will take time before I place order and even longer before I have a PCB to test it...

[NeverDie]

@nca78 said in Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?:

By the way I realized there are others drivers from Microchip with even lower power consumption, like PCF8551: at 3.3V <0.6uA supply current for the IC and down to 2.5uA supply for the LCD, it would mean an always on LCD below 5uA. Added to cart but it will take time before I place order and even longer before I have a PCB to test it...

Sounds like a winner!

[Nca78]

So I made a first test with the embryo of my library, and I realize:

• the soldering was not so good in the end, ic is not perfectly aligned and there are 2 segments connected together. And much worse CLK pin was somehow shorted to VDD meaning the clock was "locked" and display not refreshed (it was only varying voltage once when I sent new data, pretty bad...)
• I have to be more careful when applying rules from datasheet, as pullups on the I2C have too high values and it makes the driver use much more current than expected. I made test quickly with a uno so at 5V supply which is obviously not great, with 10K pullups on the board + 50k pullups on the uno power consumption is 120uA. Without the 10K pullups on the board it goes up to 180uA. And if I disconnect the SDA/SCL lines it goes up a bit over 200uA. So it seems driver is wasting energy driving those pins high. I will solder lower values pullups tomorrow (respecting rules from datasheet this time ), use a 3.3V arduino and and see if it goes better.

[Nca78]

So finally I made a new board with my spare PCF85176, still with a 5V uno and it's much better. This is the measurement for the full board: driver, LCD and MCP1703 that generates the 3V VLCD.
I2C lines of the driver are 5V tolerant so I rewired my board to power the driver through the MCP1703. But it seems it's leaching power from the (still at 5V) I2C lines as measurement falls to 1uA
Anyway the contrast is very good as you can see on the picture, and I'm also happy with the design of my "sensor test board", not perfect but flexible enough to test different combinations of voltage sources.

[NeverDie]

This one claims to be 80ua: https://www.buydisplay.com/default/2-2-inch-122x32-lcd-display-module-graphic-sed1520

[Nca78]

@neverdie said in Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?:

This one claims to be 80ua: https://www.buydisplay.com/default/2-2-inch-122x32-lcd-display-module-graphic-sed1520

Interesting, there are a bunch of sellers when searching for the SED1520 controller. I guess it's a SED1520 clone and not the original, which seems like a very old model if I judge by the retro style of the datasheet
https://www.lcd-module.de/eng/pdf/zubehoer/s_1520.pdf

The only problem is it's a parallel interface, so it will need a lot of free pins.

[mfalkvidd]

Thanks to a computer magazine, which wrote about https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book I was made aware of a source for e-ink / e-paper displays:

https://zh-tw.buyepaper.com/c/e-ink-display-0371

Pricing looks ok and that have many different sizes

[matheus galvao]

@Nca78 I trying to use the GYTN-2490 display the same I intend to use with the PCF855 controller, how did you manage to show the values in the photo? which MCU do you use? I use PIC18f

https://ibb.co/album/QX1sSS

[Nca78]

@matheus-galvao said in Best options for a low current display for a battery operated node?:

GYTN-2490

Hello, I didn't do much for this one, I just used an existing PCF8576 arduino library. Are you using this exact same LCD driver, or another one ? They are not very difficult to make libraries for, I made a library for PCA9553 (much lower power) and it was easy, the annoying part is sometimes to convert the digits to "raw" data sent to the LCD driver when LCD driver designers and lcd manufacturer didn't have the same idea for segment mapping