[security] Introducing signing support to MySensors

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    EDIT: Moved the location of the SHA204 personalizer in the first post since it has moved in the tree.
    Also, I have noticed that recent activity on development branch seem to have broken the signing support. I am investigating the issue.
    Life on the development branch is 'hard'. I am sorry about the outage, but these things are to be expected when many developers work on the same code piece and are not fully in-sync with each others activities. I will post here a SHA to a known "good" state once I have sorted the issue. I encourage all to test this out once I do, so we can get more test-coverage on this quite big feature in the library. Once we have it stabilized, it might get included in a "v1.5" of the library and then live a happy stable life on 'master' πŸ™‚

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    Now a patch is merged to 'development' for the issue. Please give it a go. I need help in testing. I have tested it successfully with the SecureActuator sketch and the ATSHA204 signing backend.

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    @Anticimex Wow this is really good work AND explanations.

    I'm thinking about one issue: Lets assume I use a remote as garage opener. Now on a bad day I loose this remote. Is it possible to block the commands of the remote. I.e. have a blacklist like thing? Is it even possible to (in theory with the used components and in practise with the current code) to identify each SHA device? I.e. does Bob know "the message comes from someone I turst" or does he know "the messages comes from allice (which I trust)".

    Obviously I'd be unable to change the PSKs because I need to lock the PSK Memroy area... So I'd have to throw away all devices for this approach - right?

    Thanks for your great work again.

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    @Dirk_H Thanks!
    Well, the ATSHA itself does support this kind of thing. But it is difficult to make it generic enough to open up for other backends to share the same functionality. It IS possible to skip locking the data area and still have signing working though. But that obviously opens the possibility to physically attack the node and read or replace the key. However, if someone got physical access to your node, they already have physical access to your garage. So the door would already be open.
    So if we assume you skipped locking the data section of the ATSHA204 you could bring down the node and revoke the PSK by writing a new one. That would invalidate any "rouge" nodes with the old PSK.
    Personally, I do not think I will ever lock down the data section since it is anyway only by physical access to the device you can rewrite or read the PSK and with physical access to the node..well...you are pretty much owned then in any case.

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    Ok thanks for clarification Anticimex. I meant if you have a remote to open your garage and leave it in your car which e.g. gets stolen. However it good that you pointed out that locking the device is no "must". I think in many applications it might be even contraproductive.

    locking the device would only prevent the thief from copying but not from using - Which would have higher importanance in this case. Maybe this lokcing feature is generelly more used for dongle like applications.

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    @Dirk_H yes if you have a handheld device that moves about, I recommend locking it to prevent key tampering in case it is lost. That makes it a black box.
    I do understand what you mean. My point is, you have a node in the garage that is the actuator. You do not want your actuator to be tampered to accept different keys (or having the firmware replaced entirely). So you need to protect you actuator in any case. Looking the chip data in the actuator then has little benefit since if someone had access to it, they could just flash a firmware that ignores signatures.
    But your keyfob is "public" so it is the typical part you want to lock. If you loose it nobody would be able to exploit it to transmit valid signatures if you replace the key in your actuator. I will consider updating the post with a number of use cases and highlight when data locking is advisable and when it is not.

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    EDIT: I have added a "usecase" section outlining three typical usecases. In summary: keep data section unlocked on all nodes that you can guarantee will be tamper-free. Lock data area on all nodes that require (or do) signing and are located in a more "volatile" environment (where they can be stolen or tampered with).

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    @Anticimex, let me try to get a holistic view:

    • I think commercial solutions like z-wave have even less security (as they are design to work across multiple vendors / solutions, so no pre-shared key). Have a look on this http://research.sensepost.com/cms/resources/conferences/2013/bh_zwave/Security Evaluation of Z-Wave_WP.pdf

    • The use case discussed here (lost garage remote): If I remove the remote from my automation software, the remote will not be able to open my garage, right? What you are saying is that if someone finds the remote, by hacking it it should be possible to obtain the pre-shared key (but it involves a considerable effort , maybe even SMD de-soldering and so)... Correct?

    • Ok, now that someone else have my pre-shared key (and assuming that I didn't change it): He/she needs to sniff into my MYS network, learn MYS protocols, monitor the traffic for some time, and with all that, it should be possible to emulate the GW telling the garage door to "open".

    • I guess the same applies to my wi-fi network --- If I loose my iphone, someone can break it and retrieve my router wi-fi password, connect into it, and unlock the door via my door lock App, right?

    Sorry if those questions sound too stupid --- I'm new to all of this things... But I think MYS is primarily targeting for home DIY users, so if we achieve the same level of a house alarm for example --- wouldn't that be enough for a first step?

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    @rvendrame In security, there are no stupid questions.
    Regarding the lost keyfob case, if we assume that you use the ATSHA204 device (not the software emulation) and you have locked the device, the PSK is unobtainable. Even if the device is picked apart, there is no way to extract the PSK from the ATSHA204 device.
    However, also assuming that you do not alter your PSK in the "receiving" end, you are still at risk, much in the same way as your car is at risk if you loose the keyfob to it.
    Also, if you use the same PSK on other parts of your system (like your GW) an attacker could pick the stolen ATSHA device and put it in their own device to allow it to transmit signed messages to any node in your system until you revoke the PSK in your GW (and corresponding nodes).
    This is unfortunate, but with the limited memory we have in the current design, it is unfeasible to have a GW (or a node) keep track on white and/or blacklisted devices. I have not been able to figure out a way of doing that with the ATSHA in a way that does not prevent a SW emulation of the feature that is acceptable enough from a security point of view.
    Basically: Keep track on your transmitting nodes.
    My ambition with the signing feature is to protect a network from external attackers. More sophisticated features are needed to also protect against attackers using your own devices against you. I would like to investigate the possibility of blacklisting further, but I only have so much time, and Arduinos only have so much memory so that is something either someone else need to investigate further (I really want to start focusing on sensors myself now) or something to be considered with more sophisticated hardware. The ATSHA204 can cover for this as well, but it will require more memory on the devices using it.

    And yes, if your controller is accessible through internet or through wifi, an attacker will most likely come from that direction, and not directly on your nodes. But "MySensors" cannot cover security in those areas.

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    @Anticimex said:

    Also, if you use the same PSK on other parts of your system (like your GW) an attacker could pick the stolen ATSHA device and put it in their own device to allow it to transmit signed messages to any node in your system until you revoke the PSK in your GW (and corresponding nodes).

    But that requires SMD-desoldering right? I guy who knows SMD + network sniffing + MYS hacking certainly will target something much bigger than my house πŸ˜‰

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    @rvendrame Hehe, well, if they go for hacking you keyfob, they probably know enough to realize that desoldering is not necessary. Just tap into the programming interface of the Arduino and write your own sketch to it πŸ˜‰
    However, they DO need to figure out your network topology, understand the MySensors protocol and so on. But we have to assume that is the case since we are open source. So everybody knows (or has access to) everything. The essential security here is your PSK. Your PSK must never EVER fall into the wrong hands. Either by theft or by accidental reveal (publishing it here for instance).
    As long as you keep your PSK private and make sure the nodes that has the PSK programmed in on way or another do not fall into the wrong hands, you should be OK.

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    @rvendrame Actually, I have been thinking and I think I have figured out a way to implement diversification in the signing protocol without revealing IDs over the air. I need some more time to think about it, and make an feasibility assessment on wether it is possible on the limited space available (perhaps to make it an optional feature).
    I will post an update here if I figure it out (or if I deem it to much work or simply can't be bothered πŸ˜‰ )
    Anyway, the end result (if I succeed) will make it possible to revoke nodes on an ID-basis in case a node/device is lost/compromised. So if someone steals your keyfob they will have to go through quite some trouble to be able to use the device to hijack into your network (if you update your network to not accept that particular keyfob anymore).
    I'll think about it. But this weekend I have to be social, so don't expect the solution (if any) anytime soon.

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    @Anticimex , thanks a lot. In the way it is currently it is very good. I was thinking about a logic of having to propose to you, but didn't conclude it yet. But definitely it would requires more memory at the gateway side at least, and a good online backup of GW eprom πŸ˜‰

    Something like in the node registration to the GW. The GW would ask if the node has already a PSK --- If not, it would generate one, and send to it to the node. The node then would store the PSK into the security chip, and lock it.

    This is based on assumption the GW could handle multiple PSKs (one for each node with signing capabilities). If I understood right, your logic already controls, for every node, which one requires signing or not. It would be an extra handling on that.

    So if a node is lost --- It should be relatively simple to backlist it. But I am not sure if association with of a old node (with its own PSK already stored and locked) within a new GW (in registration mode) would be feasible, as I think you mentioned the PSK can't be retrieved anymore (at least in a easy way) at the node side... Also if somehow the GW side loses the PSK list, everything will simple brick!!!!

    Anyway, just to think about it. For now lets enjoy this nice thing called mySensors πŸ˜‰ I may give a try on the security over the weekend, if family + social allows it...

    Have a great weekend

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    @rvendrame It is a possibility. However, I do recommend a different approach, because your proposal involves sending the PSK in the clear OTA which potentially could be collected by a snooping device. This opens an attack vector.
    I am more thinking in the line of hashing the calculated singature with a serial (every ATSHA has a unique serial) and then sending the salted signature to the receiver (verifier). The verifier calculates the signature on its own and then
    Option A: Looks up the sender serial in a table based on NodeId and hashes the calculated signature with a stored serial for that NodeId and compares the signatures. I like this one because it is the most "anal". It is however potentially memory demanding (or slightly more complex to setup).
    Option B: Traverses a list of stored serials and tries a signature comparison with all known serials and accepts the signature if any one signature matches. I like this a bit less because any stored serial is accepted without regard of the sender. But it is probably less memory "heavy".

    To revoke a "lost" node, one simply updates the receiver and removes the corresponding serial. A snooper will never "detect" a serial since they are never sent OTA in the clear, and also an attacker will only be able to determine the serial of the device stolen (which you hopefully revoked once you detected the theft).
    The trick is to figure out an memory and user friendly way of storing and managing the serials on every receiver.

    The more I think about it, the more I want to implement it. I hate to "know" that the solution can be attacked successfully in any conceivable way. If we ignore the issue with "lost" nodes, I have not been able to identify another attack vector (not to say there is none though).
    I welcome anyone to challenge and identify issues.

  • Hi,

    Is it possible to get a small schematics/howto for using ATSHA204 chip ? Maybe some references on the shop page for exemple.
    Maybe newbie question, but look that the best for this signing feature will be to connect Arduino with this chip. Only information is on A3, ok but I will feel more confident with some schematic for newbies πŸ™‚

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    @lunarok well there really is not more to it. You have three pins; data (to a3 or any digital IO of your choice) power (3.3 or 5V) and GND. I suggest @tbowmo s little minimalistic board (referenced on the main page as official MySensors board) for a schematic reference.

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    Nice work, thank you.

    I think I'd be pretty flattered if somebody spent the time to reverse engineer a lost keyfob and my MYS network. As far as I know, nobody realizes that I have three Van Gogh's and a 50 caret diamond in my crawlspace, so I mostly don't expect that concentrated an attack, when my windows are so easily broken anyway. πŸ™‚

    Most people with the skills to do that already have much nicer things in their homes than I available have for them to steal (aside from those paintings and rocks).

    Seriously, it's good to have the option of being relatively more secure, in particular since it seems to be fully optional. Let me check tho - this is not going to take up any program memory (Flash) if one isn't using it, right? So there's no harm or cost/bloat if you don't need it, and some really cool additional functionality if you do.

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    Hmmm.. If somebody is taking security this seriously, they might want to use a different chip (or use the whitening technique referenced in an early post in this thread): http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-December/023858.html Skip back and forth in the thread.

    One odd effect of using a widely used professional chip is that in some scenarios it can make one less secure - because now you are using something which has a far higher target profile than MySensors. Put another way, the MySensors community is a small enough movement that it's not worth a lot of resources to attack it; but the widely used chip IS an attractive target, and a discovered security hole might pull in MyS "for free". Not a problem if it has no vulnerabilities of course.

    Notice Bill's concern that there may be a deliberate back door in the chip. A few years ago that might seem paranoid; by now we know that it would be unusual if certain security agencies had NOT at least considered working out a special deal with the manufacturer of a widely used chip.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if the software implementation was, in some areas, more secure than the hardware?

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    @Zeph yes, backdoors in crypto HW will always be a concern for non open designs. However, these are probably not generally known and besides, they still require physical access to the device in question. And since my recommendation is (also after whitelisting feature is implemented) that PSK is revoked if a secure node is lost, a backdoor will get you nowhere as the security protocol as such is based on an open and widely regarded secure standard. If you are really paranoid, you simply need to weigh the hard option against the soft. The hard at least in theory protects you from revealing tour secrets, but the soft does not. But the soft option gives you more insight in the mechanisms used to generate the signatures.

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    @Zeph Regarding the whitening, yes, that is probably a good idea. Currently the slimmed down ATSHA driver does not implement the SHA command, but I need it anyway since it will be used for the whitelist-feature. So I can add the random improvement to both the hard and soft backend together with the whitelist stuff. I just hope I can squeeze everything down enough. The limiting device is an Ethernet GW which I believe is the "largest" (have not evaluated MQTT though).

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    Believe it or not I discussed the topic with my wife this weekend, and she asked me if each ATSHA doesn't have a unique serial... :-S

    Very good - I assume this will requires more RAM in GW (only), completely acceptable in my opinion.

    I more like your option "A" πŸ˜‰


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    @rvendrame Your wife is perfectly right, and I have indeed starting looking into option A. It will unfortunately break compatibility with ATSHA204, but I do believe everyone will use ATSHA204A so that should be fine. I hope to be able to fit everything into flash. The signing backend constructors will be updated to take a whitelist that the "verifying" end of a node network will provide. The whitelist feature overall will be an optional #define controlled feature since it will change the message signature, so if one half of Alice and Bob use it, the other has to as well. But since it will "cost" a bit both RAM and ROM, I prefer to have that feature optional since it is not really required for a "locked" network where all nodes are inaccessible.
    And still, revoking the PSK if the network is compromised is my strong recommendation. But a "blacked-out" node will require even more effort to hack for the network to accept it.

    This feature does require you to know the serial of the transmitter and it's NodeID. The serial will never be sent OTA in clear text so it is easiest obtained during personalization (it is printed on UART then). The "soft" backend will have a "fake" serial set by the "user" who hopefully makes it unique for every node. Set either through constructor or as a #define. I have not decided yet.

    In any case, once I am done, the top post will be updated to include the whitelist option and how to use it.

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    @Anticimex , amazing. I understood your concerns with transmitting the serial number over the air --- But assuming the GW only enters in '"Inclusion mode" by pressing a physical button (or via its controller request), and it lasts only 1 minute typically --- Do you still see a big risk?

    Otherwise --- On everyone new node it would require a re-flash of GW, adding the new node serial to it ? Perhaps I didn't get it in the right way...

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    Serials are static so those are a one-shot config. The node ID is not that static, but once assigned, it is persisted in the EEPROM on the node so it is static enough I believe.
    I prefer not to have any useful information sent in clear text at any point sine it is difficult to ensure that a node cannot be "enticed" to reset and retransmit data at will.
    We have to remember that secure exchange does not necessarily go through a GW. In the case of keyfob -> garage door, there is no reason to relay through a GW. The keyfob could transmit to the garage-door motor directly. So relying on "inclusion" to set up secure communications is not a dependency I want to have. Any node should be able to establish signed communication with any other node. It is just a matter of the sketch used transmit the signing requrement message itself. In the GW case, the library takes care of this, but nothing prevents a node to transmit it's signing preference directly to another node in the network (such as a garage door to an associated keyfob).
    So if we assume the garage door require signed messages, the keyfob then have to transmit it's serial at some point so the garage door can "learn it" (per your suggestion). So if the keyfob is stolen, that feature can be exploited to reset the garage door nodes whitelist. Therefore I do believe the garage door has to have a hard-coded whitelist which cannot possibly be changed without physical access to it.
    Call me anal, but better safe than sorry πŸ˜‰
    And yes, this is probably all overkill...but if we go overkill..let's do it with a vengeance. After all, anyone who thinks this is unnecessary can simply choose to not use it.

    EDIT: On the topic of reflash, yes. If a receiver is to be made aware of new nodes it is expected to verify messages from, it has to be updated. But to me, that both makes sense and is desired. You never want a node to automagically start accepting messages from "unknown" nodes for whatever reason. I think a bit of convenience has to be sacrificed on that topic.

  • @Anticimex really a cool thing πŸ‘ i just wanted to know if the rasp pi version of the mysensors will also get this ? it will be very useful when we use the raspberry pi as the gateway using pigateway serial.

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    @sharath-krishna Thanks! The software driver has no real hardware dependency so yes, that should work. You will need to patch to patch the random number generation though.
    I do not think the hardware driver really needs to be ported since a raspberry will likely not be used in an environment where it can be stolen/tampered with so extra protection of PSK and such will not really be needed.
    Sorry to say, I do not have the bandwidth to support this on all hardware. I will however encourage the community to port it anyway it likes and will support as much as I can. I will try to maintain it for Arduino and am still working with strengthening it and there are a few bugs left to iron out before it can me submitted to master.

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    • The ZWave paper you point to describes a problem implementation, not the protocol itself it seems to me:

    The root cause of this issue was lack of state validation
    in the key exchange protocol handler programmed in the Z-
    Wave door lock firmware.

    • Yes, if you lose your normal key anybody that knows to which lock it belongs can break in.
    • But, if your key has no information on to which lock it belongs to the risk is small, the same is true for a remote.

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    @Anticimex Thanks a lot! Its a great work.
    Does signature feature supports for node to node communication (I mean without gateway)?

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    @jkandasa thanks. Yes it does. But then you (as sketch developer) is responsible for sending the internal I_REQUEST_SIGNING message to inform the other node of your nodes signing requirements. The library manages this automatically for the node2gateway (and gateway2node) but not for node2node messages since the library "does not know" anything about that.

  • @hek do you have any plan to use this logic in new version api?
    @Anticimex awesome work!

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    Yes, this will be part of 1.5 release.

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    Thanks guys! Glad to see that it's appreciated πŸ™‚
    I am now working on strengthening the nonces and implementing whitelisting. I hope to be able to finish it in time for the 1.5 release.
    Voluntary testers are desired!
    I will update the first post also with more instructions on how to handle whitelisting and also update it so it reflects the more recent changes on the development branch with respect to configuration as soon has I have finished the hacking.

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    UPDATE: Thread topic post updated with a lot of stuff. Whitelisting is now "in" and explained. Various updates to the text to make a few things more clear and some code examples added to show how this ties into the updates on development branch when it comes to construction of the library class and how signing comes into play.

  • @Anticimex This really is great work!
    I have one question regarding ATSHA204A: do you know where to buy ATSHA204A-STUCZ-T? I couldn't find any supplier in Europe and even on Aliexpress, I could onlyfind the ATSHA204 in SOT23-3.

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    mouser.com got it in stock, they will deliver to europe as well πŸ™‚

  • @tbowmo Thanks for the info. I found mouser this morning as well but they charge me 20€ for shipping :-(.

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    You just need to make an order big enough, then they drop the handling charge πŸ™‚

  • Any other Europeans interested in getting some chips from mouser? I could redistribute from Germany via letter. πŸ˜‰

  • hello, i'm making some mysensors board that I'll present you a bit later and I've add a place for the Atsha204 sot23-3.

    I can't find it in Europe still and I would like to know if is it possible ton connect it on pin A6 instead of pin A3. I would like to keep the A0 to A5 for the user and use A6 for Atsha204 and A7 for Atcha204 floating point. Can anyone test it for me please?

    Thank's verry much!

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    @Tibus No, you cant. A6 and A7 are analog-only pins. Also, make sure you order ATSHA204A. Not ATSHA204. ATSHA uses no "floating point". Just single wire digital interface.

  • Ok, So I've to connect it on A3 (default value in mysensor?) and let the A7 floating? The A6 is not used so? (other question : I can't use digitalWrite on A6 pin?)

    Thank's verry much for the details on ATSHA204A instead of ATSHA204. The ATSHA204A is in SOT23-3 too? so the A7 is only use inside the Atmega library?

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    @Tibus A6 and A7 are analog input pins. You can use them as such but not as digital I/O.
    ATSHA204A is identical but more feature-rich compared to ATSHA204. One added feature is a SHA256 which is required for MySensors use. ATSHA204 is discontinued by Atmel. You can connect the ATSHA to any digital I/O pin you like but you will have to patch the config if you pick anything not called "A3".

  • Ok, thank's! I've already change every A6 pin connection to A3. Can the user use A3 for analogic even if ATSHA204 is connected on it? or do I have to remove the A3 pin available for the user?

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    @Tibus You have to check the datasheet of ATSHA204A to see how it handles the datapin when not in use. I would recommend you have any analog cirquitry on dedicated pins though and keep one reserved for the ATSHA.

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    The "analog" pins can actually be used as digital IO pins.

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    @hek Not A6 and A7. They are pure analog.

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    Ok! That's new to me πŸ™‚

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    @hek @tbowmo also found this the "hard" way. There are also some other forum discussions on the topic. It is basically how the AVR is designed.

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    @hek @Anticimex

    Yeah. I put the led on A6 in the first revision of the micro board, and used 2 hours figuring out why the led wouldn't blink πŸ˜‰ it's buried somewhere in the posts in my design thread.

  • I had this concerned from beginning. I will sound like a noon, but I am working on building a custom controller with loads of user configurable interface. For sake of my understanding is there any diagram or video or any resource regarding how to interface the ATSHA204A with arduino @Anticimex .
    If there is something like that it will be of a great help. I am going to post a video soon of my work in progress app which controls the devices. I am also working on a scenario where someone can use the normal switches(existing ones) to operate the device and app will update accordingly. Still making way through the ACK part and the hops as I am using Ruby to do all the work

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    @mainali What do you mean? It is the simplest possible interface; one IO pin. You can see schematics in @tbowmo s "Minimal design thoughts" thread or my own GW design.

  • @mainali
    Does this help you? Sometimes a few pics say more than a 1000 words πŸ™‚

    I made this pic from the Datasheet giving you the pinouts of the ATSHA204A in all known housings.

    And the way how to connect is (shamelessly stolen from the GW design of @Anticimex πŸ™‚ )

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    @sj44k @mainali Please note that that picture is incorrect. I have it connected to A3, not A7 (it is mentioned in the thread). Also note that in my design, I use a breakout board for ATSHA so the pin numbering on my breakout does NOT correspond to the SOT23-package.

  • Thanks a lot for all the Information

  • @Anticimex
    Thanks for that info, to me it is clear that depending on the used pin in the software one should connect the ATSHA204A corresponding with the software.
    Picture does show you being correct how simple it really is to embed the ATSHA204A hardware in the total setup.

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    I fear you've already ordered the ATSHA204A ? I'm also in Germany so that would be easy.
    If not - I'd take 10 pcs. They cost close to nothing -> nice πŸ™‚

    I don't agree with "This is an unlikely usecase because it is really no reason to sign sensor values. If you for some reason want to obfuscate sensor data, encryption is a better alternative."

    I think of Sensors used for Alarm-Systems. You need to trust the sensor reading because otherwise the attacker might jam the original Sensor and send his own Sensor data to let the alarm-system think the window is still closed (e.g.).

    One more question: Are the Serials in the ATSHA in ascending order (i.e. when you have a reel of ICs is each S/N old S/N+1 ?) If this is the case, would it be possible to steal a keyfob to get a valid signing device, read the serial, use that S/N +1, sign the message and get still access to the garage door? I.e. do something one could call "S/N spoofing"? (I know that it is much easier to just break the garage door with a crowbar, but I'm intrested in this - at least hypotheticaly :))

    Unfourtunately I don't have much time at the moment to try it out by myself, but I'm still really excited about your work and effort!

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    @Dirk_H The signing solution can be applied to both sensors and gateways. If you feel the need to have the gateway require signed messages from nodes, there is nothing to prevent it. I have already thought of that scenario and implemented support for it.

    Regarding jamming, no security system can prevent that.

    Regarding the generation of serials, you have to contact Atmel about that. And you still need to obtain the preshared key in order to generate properly signed messages. Neither the key nor the serial is ever sent over the air in clear text.

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    Thank you very much for this solution.

    I think your solution is the best compromise, if you don't want to transmit more data.

    The drawback is, that it isn't really as secure as AES 256 or above. It is a compromise.

    What about a solution

    • where the original message is untouched without a signature
    • a consumer requests an AES 256 signature of this message, if he really needs it
    • a second/third signature message is sent to the consumer with full AES 256 signature

    In this solution, you could use different keys for different nodes and the risk of stolen keys would be minimized.

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    I think sha256 is pretty secure enough πŸ™‚
    Regarding splitting signature and message, I am not too fond of that, because it opens up a lot of attack vectors and it also put requirements on the sender to be able to retain a sent message. Potentially a lot of nodes sends data back and forth, so what happens if, for instance, the gateway sends a message to one node, then sends another message to another node, and then the first node sends a message requesting a signature on a message the gateway no longer has. We have to remember that ram memory is very limited so there are limits in what we can do with message management, unfortunately.
    But all feedback is appreciated! Thanks!

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    sha256 is secure enough. But if I understand the implementation correctly, you use the space at the end of the payload for the signature and not the full signature.

    Another thing to consider is that the strength of the signature is inversely proportional to the payload size.

    If I calculate it right, the length of the signature is less or equal (23 bytes) 184 bit.

    With a payload of 4 bytes, which would probably be the usual payload I have here, there would be left only 160 bit (20 bytes).

    In comparison a HMAC_SHA256 uses 256 bit,

    Or did I miss something?

    It could be implemented quite simple:

    1. Node sends data to gateway which in my case is published to MQTT
    2. some consumer likes to have this signed and sends the node the message back with a sign request
    3. the node looks at the message and checks, if the value inside the message is still valid. When ok, it sends a HMAC splitted in two messages. If not, it ignores the message or sends NOK.

    The problem with this implementation would be, that the node hast to be active to get the singing request.

    Maybe it would be better to just send two other messages with the HMAC after the data.

    I would suggest to implement the check of the HMAC where it is needed, not in the gateway, In my case, this would be node-red.

  • Contest Winner

    Regarding the weakened security based on the message size, you are correct.
    But I still disagree on splitting the messages because it will mean that some messages will fail to be signed (depending on network load) and it is no good to have a solution that adds uncertainty in that respect. And I definitely do not want to add restrictions on which types of nodes are capable on signing and which are not. Having the gateway signing messages is a very real application in use cases like locks and such.
    The opposite is also equally valid, some nodes might send "important" data. The gateway needs to be able to authenticate such nodes (keyfobs etc).
    We have to weigh complexity vs resources, and currently we are pretty much at the limit of our capabilities. An ethernet or mqtt gateway running on an Arduino nano can today barely fit HW support for signing. SW signing does not fit. So we can't really get more complex with the solution without also stepping up the HW platform we execute on.

  • Contest Winner

    I should add that even if signature was separated in its own message, it still would not be full since the rf solution is only capable of sending 32 byte messages and some bytes are needed for routing info. So if "full" signature is required, some framing protocol will also be needed, and then things really get out of hand on a poor Arduino nano or pro mini.
    I would suggest using RF69 with AES encryption if the signing scheme in place is inadequate.

  • Hardware Contributor


    I am trying to design some boards. And I would like to have a little precision.
    If I understand right, as signing is included in rfm69 radiohead library with mysensors, I don't need atsha? Atsha recommanded with nrf?

  • Contest Winner

    Well, it depends on what you want. In the first post I have outline my stance on the matter. I prefer signing before anything. RF69 offer optional encryption, not signing. If you are happy with just encryption, then you don't need ATSHA but have to use RF69 (or another circuit).

  • Hardware Contributor

    @Anticimex : you are right. I confused two different things!! So I think the best is combination of both.
    Thank you for your precision and for sharing your work.

  • Contest Winner

    Thanks and you are welcome πŸ™‚

  • Contest Winner

    For the record, I share your opinion on using a combination. I will probably go for that myself when I fully deploy my sensornetwork. RF69 with AES encryption on RF level, and ATSHA authentication on protocol level should be enough to protect against most deliberate non-physical mischief.

  • Hardware Contributor

    @Anticimex : I totally agree with you. I am still defining my needs too. I have only some nrf nodes but I think Mysensors + RFM + Atsha + ota=Zwave killer! it might eliminate repeater needs.
    On my designs I put nrf and rfm footprints but I think I will move to rfm as soon as I can. I will share my designs when it will be tested. Hope there will be lots of boards for mysensors in the future.
    Have a good day!

  • Contest Winner

    I have actually designed a board that supports both radios. I have just received them but have not mounted them with components yet so I have not been able to verify the design. But I will post it on the forum as soon as I have. It will be pin-compatible with Sensbender Micro but also support RF69. It is not intended to be replacing that board nor is it an "official" MySensor board. I have just designed it to fit my personal preferences and to serve as a generic multi-purpose sensor backend (it relies on modules and has a lot of headers to support many sensors in parallel on both 3.3 and 5V rails).

  • Hardware Contributor

    wow. can't wait to see your creations! Seems interesting. Your board could be very helpful.
    I love Sensebender. But 0402, it was difficult to solder for me! So I am trying to use 0805 in my designs, easier for me.
    I am finishing to modify a moteino (0805 so a little bigger) to add nrf and atsha. I am waiting for others boards (not received yet) : uCurrent module, one power management optimization board (based on ulpnode idea), esp8266-07 with nrf, rfm and atsha (I will try to make sort of mqtt gateway), and a mysensors relay board. I have others idea too: dimmer for one main, hb100 (for barrier security), mgc3030 (for gesture. lot of stuff on this one I think). But before I must finish what I started. Hihi, mysensors and automation is addictive!

    I read in previous post that you advised not to use A6,A7 for atsha. But I imagine that I can use others pin (if i take care of datasheet of course)? I think it is doable, just have to modify pin ref in code next, isn't it? Anyway, I always try to keep mysensors reference design (A3), it is just for personal info.

  • Contest Winner

    Then you'll be happy to hear that my board uses 0805 and 1206 and also has enlarged pads for hand soldering on all SMD footprints πŸ™‚
    It also features a jumper for current measurement, three power connection options, switchable regulators for super low standby currents and some other features. But I will give the details in a separate post.

  • Contest Winner

    Regarding pin, yes. You can freely choose any digital IO for ATSHA. A6 and A7 are not digital IO so they cannot be used. They are pure analog.

  • Hardware Contributor

    Very interesting. So your board will be a great addition. I will follow your work for sure!
    Thank you very much for your help.

  • Hi @all!

    First off all: thanks for your great work πŸ™‚
    I am about to compile the ethernet gw with software signing, but unfortunately I am getting some compile errors.
    Does anyone maybe have a sketch handy and would up it here?

    Thanks in advance and best regards,


  • Contest Winner

    Sorry, but that is not possible on Arduino Nano. There is not enough flash available to support both ethernet and software signing. You have to use ATSHA for an ethernet gw.

  • @Anticimex:
    Thanks, but I am trying to compile it for an UNO R3?! That should do it. Nevertheless: Using nanos only for nodes should work with sw signing, shouldnt it?

  • Contest Winner

    Yep. It is the ethernet stack that costs the most.
    I need you to post the compiler error you get though in order to help you.

  • I used the latest devel-branch from github.

    This is the error:

    In file included from /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyTransportNRF24.h:26:0,
                     from /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MySensor.h:28,
                     from ms_gw_neu.ino:42:
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:11: error: 'SOFT_SPI_MISO_PIN' was not declared in this scope
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:30: error: 'SOFT_SPI_MOSI_PIN' was not declared in this scope
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:49: error: 'SOFT_SPI_SCK_PIN' was not declared in this scope
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:75: error: template argument 1 is invalid
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:75: error: template argument 2 is invalid
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/utility/RF24.h:51:75: error: template argument 3 is invalid
    In file included from ms_gw_neu.ino:43:0:
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:39:28: error: 'DEFAULT_CE_PIN' was not declared in this scope
       MyGateway(uint8_t _cepin=DEFAULT_CE_PIN, uint8_t _cspin=DEFAULT_CS_PIN, uint8_t _inclusion_time = 1, uint8_t _inclusion_pin = 3, uint8_t _rx=6, uint8_t _tx=5, uint8_t _er=4);
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:39:59: error: 'DEFAULT_CS_PIN' was not declared in this scope
       MyGateway(uint8_t _cepin=DEFAULT_CE_PIN, uint8_t _cspin=DEFAULT_CS_PIN, uint8_t _inclusion_time = 1, uint8_t _inclusion_pin = 3, uint8_t _rx=6, uint8_t _tx=5, uint8_t _er=4);
    ms_gw_neu.ino:80:31: error: no matching function for call to 'MyGateway::MyGateway(MyTransportNRF24&, MyHwATMega328&, MySigningAtsha204Soft&)'
    ms_gw_neu.ino:80:31: note: candidates are:
    In file included from ms_gw_neu.ino:43:0:
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:39:3: note: MyGateway::MyGateway(uint8_t, uint8_t, uint8_t, uint8_t, uint8_t, uint8_t, uint8_t)
       MyGateway(uint8_t _cepin=DEFAULT_CE_PIN, uint8_t _cspin=DEFAULT_CS_PIN, uint8_t _inclusion_time = 1, uint8_t _inclusion_pin = 3, uint8_t _rx=6, uint8_t _tx=5, uint8_t _er=4);
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:39:3: note:   no known conversion for argument 1 from 'MyTransportNRF24' to 'uint8_t {aka unsigned char}'
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:20:7: note: MyGateway::MyGateway(const MyGateway&)
     class MyGateway : public MySensor
    /home/otto/sketchbook/libraries/MySensors/MyGateway.h:20:7: note:   candidate expects 1 argument, 3 provided

    and this is the sketch - I am not sure, if everything is right (I am not deep into mysensors yet):

     * Copyright (C) 2013 Henrik Ekblad <henrik.ekblad@gmail.com>
     * Contribution by a-lurker
     * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
     * modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
     * version 2 as published by the Free Software Foundation.
     * The EthernetGateway sends data received from sensors to the ethernet link. 
     * The gateway also accepts input on ethernet interface, which is then sent out to the radio network.
     * The GW code is designed for Arduino 328p / 16MHz.  ATmega168 does not have enough memory to run this program.
     * > Edit RF24_config.h in (libraries\MySensors\utility) to enable softspi (remove // before "#define SOFTSPI").
     * > Use Arduino IDE 1.5.7 (or later) 
     * > Disable DEBUG in Sensor.h before compiling this sketch. Othervise the sketch will probably not fit in program space when downloading. 
     * > Remove Ethernet.h include below and include UIPEthernet.h 
     * > Remove DigitalIO include 
     * Note that I had to disable UDP and DHCP support in uipethernet-conf.h to reduce space. (which means you have to choose a static IP for that module)
     * Enter "ip-number:port" in the ip-field of the Arduino GW device. This will temporarily override any serial configuration for the Vera plugin. 
     * E.g. If you want to use the defualt values in this sketch enter:
     * LED purposes:
     * - RX (green) - blink fast on radio message recieved. In inclusion mode will blink fast only on presentation recieved
     * - TX (yellow) - blink fast on radio message transmitted. In inclusion mode will blink slowly
     * - ERR (red) - fast blink on error during transmission error or recieve crc error  
     * See http://www.mysensors.org/build/ethernet_gateway for wiring instructions.
    #include <DigitalIO.h>     // This include can be removed when using UIPEthernet module  
    #include <SPI.h>  
    #include <MySensor.h>
    #include <MyGateway.h>  
    #include <stdarg.h>
    #include <MyConfig.h>
    #include <MySigningAtsha204Soft.h>
    // Use this if you have attached a Ethernet ENC28J60 shields  
    //#include <UIPEthernet.h>  
    // Use this fo WizNET W5100 module and Arduino Ethernet Shield 
    #include <Ethernet.h>   
    #define INCLUSION_MODE_TIME 1 // Number of minutes inclusion mode is enabled
    #define INCLUSION_MODE_PIN  3 // Digital pin used for inclusion mode button
    #define RADIO_CE_PIN        5  // radio chip enable
    #define RADIO_SPI_SS_PIN    6  // radio SPI serial select
    #define RADIO_ERROR_LED_PIN 7  // Error led pin
    #define RADIO_RX_LED_PIN    8  // Receive led pin
    #define RADIO_TX_LED_PIN    9  // the PCB, on board LED
    #define IP_PORT 5003        // The port you want to open 
    IPAddress myIp (192, 168, 1, 66);  // Configure your static ip-address here    COMPILE ERROR HERE? Use Arduino IDE 1.5.7 or later!
    // The MAC address can be anything you want but should be unique on your network.
    // Newer boards have a MAC address printed on the underside of the PCB, which you can (optionally) use.
    // Note that most of the Ardunio examples use  "DEAD BEEF FEED" for the MAC address.
    byte mac[] = { 0xCE, 0x0D, 0xBE, 0xEF, 0xFE, 0xED };  // DEAD BEEF FEED
    // a R/W server on the port
    EthernetServer server = EthernetServer(IP_PORT);
    MyTransportNRF24 radio;  // NRFRF24L01 radio driver
    MyHwATMega328 hw; // Select AtMega328 hardware profile
    MySigningAtsha204Soft signer(false); // Select ATSHA204A software signing backend
    MyGateway gw(radio, hw, signer);
    // No blink or button functionality. Use the vanilla constructor.
    // Uncomment this constructor if you have leds and include button attached to your gateway 
    char inputString[MAX_RECEIVE_LENGTH] = "";    // A string to hold incoming commands from serial/ethernet interface
    int inputPos = 0;
    void setup()  
      Ethernet.begin(mac, myIp);
      // give the Ethernet interface a second to initialize
      // Initialize gateway at maximum PA level, channel 70 and callback for write operations 
      gw.begin(RF24_PA_LEVEL_GW, RF24_CHANNEL, RF24_DATARATE, writeEthernet);
      // start listening for clients
    // This will be called when data should be written to ethernet 
    void writeEthernet(char *writeBuffer) {
    void loop()
      // if an incoming client connects, there will be
      // bytes available to read via the client object
      EthernetClient client = server.available();
      if (client) {
          // if got 1 or more bytes
          if (client.available()) {
             // read the bytes incoming from the client
             char inChar = client.read();
             if (inputPos<MAX_RECEIVE_LENGTH-1) { 
               // if newline then command is complete
               if (inChar == '\n') {  
                  // a command was issued by the client
                  // we will now try to send it to the actuator
                  inputString[inputPos] = 0;
                  // echo the string to the serial port
                  // clear the string:
                  inputPos = 0;
               } else {  
                 // add it to the inputString:
                 inputString[inputPos] = inChar;
            } else {
               // Incoming message too long. Throw away 
               inputPos = 0;

    Thanks for your help in advance!


  • Contest Winner

    Hm. Looks like you have a problem with your settings for soft SPI. The errors are not related to the signing backend.
    I suspect a problem in MyConfig.h but I have not been up to speed with the changes on development nor have I dabbled with soft SPI. I run "hardware" SPI. @hek maybe knows what setting is wrong for your problem to occur. Could be that the soft SPI driver does not take UNO boards into account?

  • @Anticimex:

    Thanks anyway! I will try again without signing. Maybe there is a problem in the recent devel-branch. With stable 1.4 it compiled without any issues...
    /update: does not compile with the "standard" ethernet-gw sketch too.... not related to signing...

  • Contest Winner

    Alright. Thanks for confirming. I had a rough period on development with the signing support when I was developing it. Other commits kept breaking it (not intentionally but because there was other changes to the init sequences and such which did not take signing into account). And I have been busy doing other things so I have not refreshed my own sketches to HEAD on development for a couple of months so I am uncertain on the working state at the moment, but I trust @hek to let me know if something breaks again πŸ™‚
    I will get back on track soon I hope but project πŸ‘Ά is coming up and is sure to mess quite a bit with my schedule πŸ™‚ so I trust others to keep me informed if signing support should fail.

  • I do not understand how to set the Backend in the myconfig.h.

    "you need to decide what signing backend to use. This is done in MyConfig.h"

    But how? Just by commenting out the Pin Define?

  • Contest Winner

    My post is not really up2date with the code at the moment (at least on development branch). You now pick you backend by argument to the MySensor constructor. I will check with @hek how we should handle this post when master and development are diverging.

  • Thank you for your quick reply πŸ™‚ Now it is clearer to me.

  • Contest Winner

    Good! I will look into how the post can be clearer and handle the code specifics better with respect to both "master" and "development" where applicable. Sorry for the discrepancy πŸ™‚

  • Contest Winner

    First post updated to better reflect the state of the 'development' branch. Signing is currently not available on 'master'.

  • Hardware Contributor

    Hi @Anticimex,

    I read your first post and followed it, it was very interesting and comprehensible. So I am trying autentication to see how it looks. I entered the key in a Gateway (nano) and a mini pro node. The mini is running DHT Humidity sketch (I know it is not very interesting node for autentication but it's easy on breadboard). I am using latest dev branch. Communication seems to work but i am a little confused with serial output on GW as I see some no sign. It seems that humidity is ok, but not the temperature child.. but I am not sure.

    What do you think I am doing wrong?

    Edit: I am getting others nosign... Does presentation and version messages uses autentication too? because they seem to be ok but not the child sensors value..

    Here is GW logs:

    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=2,l=2,sg=0:1
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:1
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:01F989B
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=6,sg=1:1.5 b1
    10;255;0;0;17;1.5 b1
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:017DA4B
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=1:0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:01C7E11
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=8,sg=1:Humidity
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:017B669
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=1:1.0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=0,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;no sign
    0;0;3;0;9;no sign

  • Contest Winner

    @scalz Thanks.
    Could you please also post the construction code of your MySensor object.
    And also your MyConfig.h changes (where you enable the signing functionality). Don't post your private key though πŸ™‚
    The initial setup is all signed and well but then your node seem to not even attempt to sign the data it sends (because it should have sent a c=3,t=16 and waited for a c=3,t=17 prior to any sensor data).
    I see from the first two messages that the gateway has been informed that your sensor require signatures (of messages from the gateway). And the gateway do respond that it also require signautres but for some reason your sensor do not sign the sensor values (the presentation handshaking is transmitted in signed form as expected).
    I don't have a quick answer to why your node does not sign it's sensor data. Could you also share your code that transmits (in your sketch that is). Perhaps the easiest is to post the entire sketch πŸ™‚ (WITHOUT your private key).

    I am afraid I have to prioritize my newborn son, so I hope for understanding if my replies will be delayed. @hek might know if something has happened on dev branch that could affect signing. I did thoroughly test it when it was submitted but I have not been keeping track on activities on dev for a while now.

  • Hardware Contributor

    @Anticimex: Congratulation for your son! it is not hurry, no problem. and thank you for taking time.
    So maybe I am missing something, because I have no key in the sketch??? I am using ATSHA hardware chip.. The key is stored by using SHAPersonalizer, isn't it??

    I have not made any changes in Myconfig.h as it is default enabled. So it is like this:

    // Disable to completly disable signing functionality in library

    And the node sketch:

    #include <SPI.h>
    #include <MyTransportNRF24.h>
    #include <MyHwATMega328.h>
    #include <MySensor.h> 
    #include <DHT.h>  
    #include <MySigningAtsha204.h>
    #define CHILD_ID_HUM 0
    #define CHILD_ID_TEMP 1
    unsigned long SLEEP_TIME = 30000; // Sleep time between reads (in milliseconds)
    MyTransportNRF24 radio;  // NRFRF24L01 radio driver
    MyHwATMega328 hw; // Select AtMega328 hardware profile
    MySigningAtsha204 signer; // Select HW ATSHA signing backend
    MySensor gw(radio, hw, signer);
    DHT dht;
    float lastTemp;
    float lastHum;
    boolean metric = true; 
    MyMessage msgHum(CHILD_ID_HUM, V_HUM);
    MyMessage msgTemp(CHILD_ID_TEMP, V_TEMP);
    void setup()  
      gw.begin(NULL, 10);
      // Send the Sketch Version Information to the Gateway
      gw.sendSketchInfo("Humidity", "1.0");
      // Register all sensors to gw (they will be created as child devices)
      gw.present(CHILD_ID_HUM, S_HUM);
      gw.present(CHILD_ID_TEMP, S_TEMP);
      metric = gw.getConfig().isMetric;
    void loop()      
      float temperature = dht.getTemperature();
      if (isnan(temperature)) {
          Serial.println("Failed reading temperature from DHT");
      } else if (temperature != lastTemp) {
        lastTemp = temperature;
        if (!metric) {
          temperature = dht.toFahrenheit(temperature);
        gw.send(msgTemp.set(temperature, 1));
        Serial.print("T: ");
      float humidity = dht.getHumidity();
      if (isnan(humidity)) {
          Serial.println("Failed reading humidity from DHT");
      } else if (humidity != lastHum) {
          lastHum = humidity;
          gw.send(msgHum.set(humidity, 1));
          Serial.print("H: ");
      gw.sleep(SLEEP_TIME); //sleep a bit

    and in Serial Gateway, I have only changed this:

    // Message signing driver (signer needed if MY_SIGNING_FEATURE is turned on in MyConfig.h)
    //MySigningNone signer;
    //MySigningAtsha204Soft signer;
    MySigningAtsha204 signer;
    // Hardware profile 
    MyHwATMega328 hw;
    // Construct MySensors library (signer needed if MY_SIGNING_FEATURE is turned on in MyConfig.h)
    // To use LEDs blinking, uncomment WITH_LEDS_BLINKING in MyConfig.h
    MySensor gw(transport, hw , signer, RADIO_RX_LED_PIN, RADIO_TX_LED_PIN, RADIO_ERROR_LED_PIN);
    MySensor gw(transport, hw , signer);

  • Contest Winner

    @scalz Thanks πŸ™‚
    Correct. With HW ATSHA204A no key in the sketch is necessary.
    And your setup seem ok since there are signed messages being passed successfully so the HW seem ok.

    Perhaps you could add a debug print that dumps your messages in the gateway before they are checked for signatures in MySensor::process?
    Just put debug(PSTR("read: %d-%d-%d s=%d,c=%d,t=%d,pt=%d,l=%d,sg=%d\n"), msg.sender, msg.last, msg.destination, msg.sensor, mGetCommand(msg), msg.type, mGetPayloadType(msg), mGetLength(msg), mGetSigned(msg)); before #ifdef MY_SIGNING_FEATURE.
    You could also do the corresponding thing in your nodes MySensor::sendRoute function so we can see what data you send in order to determine why your node has decided it should not be signed.

    It could be you stumbled over a library bug because I see in the code that in sendRoute the if case looks funky.
    It says:
    if (DO_SIGN(message.destination) && message.sender == nc.nodeId && !mGetAck(message) && mGetLength(msg) &&
    but I think it should say
    if (DO_SIGN(message.destination) && message.sender == nc.nodeId && !mGetAck(message) && mGetLength(message) &&
    Try to change this and see what happens. I have a strong suspicion that your node's msg buffer is empty, and sendRoute therefore don't sign the message because it gets the length from the wrong buffer.

    @hek if @scalz tests this successfully, could you patch it? I think it is a bug that it checks mGetLength(msg) and not mGetLength(message) in MySensor::sendRoute.

  • Admin

    I could probably fix it tonight if it turns out wrong.

  • Hardware Contributor

    @Anticimex @Hek
    Thank you very much for debugging!
    First, I tried to add the debug watch. And like you said it seems there was no value.
    Then, I looked at sendRoute like you advised, and oh!, it makes sense. A tiny small bug is living there !
    So I changed mGetLength(msg) with mGetLength(message)
    And now... it seems to work well! yeah! I am so happy πŸ˜ƒ

    If you want below is my GW logs (with the debug watch too), but I think it's ok now. there is no unwanted "nosign" anymore.

    0;0;3;0;9;gateway started, id=0, parent=0, distance=0
    0;0;3;0;14;Gateway startup complete.
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-0 s=0,c=0,t=0,pt=0,l=0,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=2,l=2,sg=0:1
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,st=ok:1
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=2,l=2,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:01F428B
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=6,sg=1:1.5 b1
    10;255;0;0;17;1.5 b1
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=6,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:013E014
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=1:0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:0174D82
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=8,sg=1:Humidity
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=8,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:01827E7
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=1:1.0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=0,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=0,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:01E4D70
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=1:23.0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=1,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=0,c=3,t=16,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    0;0;3;0;9;send: 0-0-10-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0,st=ok:0148CE9
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 0-0-10 s=255,c=3,t=17,pt=6,l=25,sg=0
    0;0;3;0;9;read: 10-10-0 s=0,c=1,t=1,pt=7,l=5,sg=1:36.0

    I have just a last question regarding signature :

    • in the future, when Mysensors new version will be released, does the controller will have to check the signature and to store the PSK? I think so, as the logs shows it is crypted. For doing this we should inspire ourselves
      with your atsha_soft, isn't it? It is just curiosity of mine, as I am looking at your libs, and I am thinking about what changes will be involved on controller side when the moment will come for plugin update...

    Now, I have to check the atsha soft version too, then ota with the recently great improvement of tekka..., and understand all new changes in the message format...lots of things.
    I like this lib! 1.4 is smart, but dev branch looks very well done and much more optimized.

    See you soon!

  • Contest Winner

    @scalz Great! Thanks for finding and testing this.
    I am not sure I understand your question. You mean to store the PSK of atsha_soft in encrypted form in the sketch? That is difficult since the encryption secret then needs to be stored somewhere as well.
    I would recommend (if you do use atsha_soft) to burn the fuses to prevent memory readout to protect the PSK.
    Normally, this implementation is stored in the gateway which should be physically protected in any case, so the need to protekt PSK in the gateway is less critical than in a node which may be located "outside".

    Secure OTA is currently unsupported. It might be supported in the future.

  • Hardware Contributor

    Oh, sorry for my bad english!
    Is signing just between a Node and a Gateway. or is the controller involved too? Maybe it's a dumb question, I have not checked yet the changes in message.
    For OTA, I understand it is not suppported by signature as you explained in your tuto. But, in the other hand, I think that for initiating an ota, it should need a signed message, so I think it is good.

  • Contest Winner

    @scalz You decide if your component will require signatures when you create your signer. That is, if you want your gateway to be able to sign messages sent to an actuator (like a lock) but you don't want your gateway to require signed messages from your nodes, you pass a argument to the constructor like this:
    MySigningAtsha204 signer(false);
    That will

    • Configure that node/gw to support signed message processing using HW ATSHA
    • Have that node/gw inform others that it does not require signed messages
    • Still permit that node/gw to sign messages sent to other nodes/gw who do requre signing

    If you stick to default constructor arguments or pass true, the difference is that the node/gw will also inform others that it requires signed messages, and will ignore/discard any message that is not signed which it receive (and is targeted to that particular node/gw). It will not affect messages which are to be relayed, so the node will still work as a relay for unsigned messages.

  • Hardware Contributor

    ok, it is good to know. You have thought about everything!
    If signer(true) for gateway, Will the controller (Jeedom, Domoticz..) see a crypted payload in serial transmission or will it work like before (I understand there are some changes in message structure, but what about crypted payload, does the controller need to decrypt?)

  • Contest Winner

    @scalz We only sign messages. There is no encryption involved. And the signature is stored without affecting the message contents so it is perfectly compatible with all controllers. The only thing that could affect a controller is the new sign bit in the message header but I don't think that will make any difference as it is not relevant to the controller. It is the gateway that manages this for it.

  • Hardware Contributor

    ok, it is new for me, so I am mixing vocabulary, but I understand the concept. Thank you, and now I have my answer. no big changes for controller side, great! It makes sense, but I was not sure.

  • Admin

    Fix pushed to development.

  • Contest Winner

    Thanks for that!

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